Coming back to passenger cars, hauled by PC and CR FL-9s: I am sure, that the one or other have seen them pulling former Delaware and Hudson cars. Some of them I once red were set on fire by vagrants. Would they have been these cars in D&H paint scheme?
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I have some of the LIRR cars of this production. Would they also have gone into Grand Central Terminal? If yes, what lettering would they have had above the windows instead of the Long Island tag?
The Rapido model coach available in LIRR colors (MTA LIRR 2183) is a close approximation (but not a perfect match) to the 14 former DL&W/EL coaches that MTA acquired and which were used on both LIRR trains and on PC Hudson and Harlem Lines. I remember riding one of these cars on a Brewster train. I recall it was a very comfortable car. My LIRR Parlor Cars website has a page on these coaches at http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/ ... aches.html
In answer to your original question about the passenger cars hauled by the FL-9 locomotives, a few comments from one who was there back in those days:
Noel and Otto have provided good answers.
I rode MTA/PC Hudson and Harlem line trains in the 1971-1975 era. As I recall, at that time the cars on the Poughkeepsie-GCT and Brewster-GCT thru trains included:
Some modernized NYC heavyweight coaches. I think these were painted PC jade green with the PC logo in white.
Some former Empire State Express lightweight coaches built by Budd for NYC, rebuilt to higher capacity commuter coaches.
Some former NYC lightweight 64 seat coaches built by Pullman Standard, rebuilt to higher capacity commuter coaches. Some had all or part of the original cosmetic (non-structural) stainless steel fluting panels removed. Some variations in paint schemes.
An assortment of lightweight coaches of C&EI, EL, Frisco, L&N and Santa Fe ancestry, acquired by MTA and/or PC, rebuilt to higher capacity commuter coaches. Considerable variation on paint schemes.
Occasionally, when an Amtrak or D&H coach assigned to The Adirondack was bad-ordered at GCT, one of these "MTA/PC commuter junk" coaches made a roundtrip From GCT to Montreal (or at least Albany-Rensselaer) on The Adirondack!
Last but by no means least, there were a few Budd built NYC lightweight tavern lounge cars and six-bedroom lounge cars there were used as commuter bar cars. The six bedrooms were setup as three bedrooms suites and there were tables for card players in each suite.
glennk419 wrote:Another shot of a PC FL-9 in black dip, shot at a very classic location.
Interesting pic! Is this a westbound special excursion train on the Poughkeepsie Bridge, with a view from Highland looking northeast towards Poughkeepsie?
Otto Vondrak wrote:
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Otto's date is off by 3 years. NY DOT funded the refurbishment of a number of D&H coaches (and other D&H equipment) for use on The Adirondack which was inaugurated in early August 1974. The D&H passenger cars were idled after Amtrak converted The Adirondack to Turboliner equipment in 1977. Sometime after that, NY DOT wanted to ensure they continued to get a return on their investment in these passenger cars, so the D&H coaches and their two dinner-lounge cars were assigned to MTA Hudson line (Poughkeepsie) and Harlem line (Brewster) commuter trains. The diner-lounge cars were used as commuter bar cars. The D&H equipment served in that role until retirement sometime in the early to mid 1980s. Some of them were damaged by fires set by homeless people/drifters while stored inside GCT.
I agree with Otto's book recommendations.