by SRich
Maybe an option is for Amtrak to take the ownership of the MNR section of the NEC and bring it to an high speed standard.
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NH2060 wrote:So one way or another the OSB-Kenyon Bypass will be a part of whatever "build" alternative the FRA decides on? Doesn't make any sense at all. The party that would primarily benefit from it would actually be CDOT as it would remove anywhere from 9 to 14 Acela RTs on weekdays allowing those slots to be replaced by Shore Line East trains to/from New London along with any extended service to Westerly, essentially making that segment of the Shore Line a commuter/Regional line. They're definitely not planning on adding any more Regionals before 2030 and after that is anyone's guess depending on New Haven Line slot availability.There's no way that's going to be built once a field survey team goes out there for an informal look-see...or they learn how to turn on Terrain View in Google Maps. The first 1-6 miles inland is like a grand tour of every north-south running trap rock seam in New London County. All those rock cuts that craptacularly standards-outdated I-95 was blasted through 60 years ago come into play on that OSB-Shannock bypass. It may not be as brain-meltingly stupid as 10 miles of tunneling straight through the heart of the Metacomet Ridge, but it's got the same real-world probability of happening: absolute zero. Anybody with actual civil engineering experience would tell them they're doing it wrong if they insist on the hardest possible alt-Shoreline routing, and every HSR country with geologically challenging terrain (yes, including the Euro countries who bore straight through the Alps) would take one look at that and exclaim "Why would you do that to yourself???". All the density, the railroad, and the local street grid hug the shore and Route 1 corridor for a reason, and the price tag for add-a-lane'ing such a middling number of I-95 route miles and fixing the geometry to something that half-resembles real Interstate standards is so shockingly high for a reason.
Furthermore the first 3 alternatives don't solve the "what do we do about the New Haven Line" problem in any way. And "Alternative 4" would render a SE CT "bypass line" rather redundant if there's also going to be a new NHV/NYP-HFD-PVD dedicated high speed line.
Jeff Smith wrote:Single ownership of the entire corridor would simplify things, and probably save them infrastructure $$$. MNRR and CtDOT will not go along, though. They will not want to relinquish dispatch control. See Transit, New Jersey, NEC Red-headed * Step Child.On NY Penn station Amtrak is the owner but dispatching is shared with LIRR/NJ. Maybe the same solution can be done on de MNR section: Amtrak will then be the owner of the track but dispatching would be shared with Metro North. Its becoming an advantage when MNR is using the Amtrak line to NY Penn.
Thats wat i mean.
I'd add, as has been noted here and elsewhere before, there's really not much you can do to increase speed west of New Haven into NYP. This is due to line characteristics and sheer volume. It's not all that many miles either. Bringing it into a state of good repair and eliminating speed restrictions/slow orders is far more important.
SRich wrote:The State of Connecticut is not going to sell the New Haven Line. Period. End of story. Any politician who proposed such a thing would be voted out of office posthaste.Jeff Smith wrote:Single ownership of the entire corridor would simplify things, and probably save them infrastructure $$$. MNRR and CtDOT will not go along, though. They will not want to relinquish dispatch control. See Transit, New Jersey, NEC Red-headed * Step Child.On NY Penn station Amtrak is the owner but dispatching is shared with LIRR/NJ. Maybe the same solution can be done on de MNR section: Amtrak will then be the owner of the track but dispatching would be shared with Metro North. Its becoming an advantage when MNR is using the Amtrak line to NY Penn
Ridgefielder wrote:Metro-North ridership between the NY state line and New Haven is something like 40 times greater than Amtrak ridership. That's reason enough for MNRR to dispatch the line.Ridership has nothing to do with it. If it did, NJT would dispatch the NEC, Maryland would dispatch the railroad between PVL and WAS and VRE would dispatch the RF&P subdivision since they obviously move more passengers than a freight train!
SRich wrote: On NY Penn station Amtrak is the owner but dispatching is shared with LIRR/NJ. Maybe the same solution can be done on de MNR section: Amtrak will then be the owner of the track but dispatching would be shared with Metro North. Its becoming an advantage when MNR is using the Amtrak line to NY Penn.While LIRR has a stake in PSCC, NJT does not. The Northeast corridor west of Penn Station is under complete control of Amtrak and is dispatched only by Amtrak dispatchers. Our house, our rules. LIRR and Amtrak share the dispatching between Harold Interlocking in Queens and Penn Station. The arrangement dates back to the construction of PSCC when LIRR put up a significant amount of the cost that went into building it.
twropr wrote:On Dec. 19 Amtrak increased speed on Tracks 2 and 3 thru the reverse curves at Elizabeth, NJ from 55/65 MPH to 80/85 MPH for Acela Express and Amfleet trains. This was quite an accomplishment - wonder if the tracks were realigned or superelevation increased?It is not 80/85 for Amfleet trains. That is for the Acela trains and the only thing that was done was minor surfacing.
Andy
DutchRailnut wrote:possession is half the battle, when American Premier Underwriters (penn Central) put nec up for sale, the MTA and CDOT pounced and got what they wanted.
Amtrak and others were just late at the gate as usual .
DutchRailnut wrote:possession is half the battle, when American Premier Underwriters (penn Central) put nec up for sale, the MTA and CDOT pounced and got what they wanted.And the MTA and CDOT have since that day been very good at demonstrating what happens when you bite off more than you can chew.
Amtrak and others were just late at the gate as usual .
twropr wrote:On Dec. 19 Amtrak increased speed on Tracks 2 and 3 thru the reverse curves at Elizabeth, NJ from 55/65 MPH to 80/85 MPH for Acela Express and Amfleet trains. This was quite an accomplishment - wonder if the tracks were realigned or superelevation increased?
Andy