MBTA's MPI HSP-46 Locomotives

ck4049 wrote:You must have seen the 2008, the 2009 has yet to touch MBTA rails.

2008 made a trip lite to the P&W 10/24, entered their territory at 12:05pm...dunno for what, I had to leave

It'll probably be staying there for a little while I'm guessing.

I rode in on train #842 this morning from Canton Jct and we had an HSP-46 pushing seven bi-levels. While I don't love the look (I prefer locos with more of a nose), I love the sound, and the increased horsepower is pretty noticeable.

Time for an update:

MBTX HSP46's in Worcester(P&W) for setup
and as yet not delivered:
2009 off CSX Q422-?? (September)
2011 off CSX Q422-18 (August)
2014 & 2015 off CSX Q422-17 (August)
2016 & 2020 off CSX Q422-11 (September)
2017 & 2021 off CSX Q422-17 (September)
2027 off CSX Q422-23 (September)

MBTX HSP46's at Altoona for warranty work:
MBTX 2018, 2019, 2022, 2026, 2028, 2031

MBTX HSP46's to be shipped or enroute:
MBTX 2000 still at MPI/Boise from GE/Erie
MBTX 2003 still at MPI/Boise from DOT/Pueblo
MBTX 2023 Still in Proviso Yard/Chicago on UP
MBTX 2025 "Hold status" Nampa, Idaho on UP

MBTX 2029 Still showing in Conneaut, Ohio
MBTX 2030 Still in Elkhart, Indiana off NS 18K
MBTX 2032 "Hold status" Nampa, Idaho BVRR/UP.
MBTX 2033 Cokeville, Wyoming on UP.
MBTX 2034 "Hold status" Nampa, Idaho BVRR/UP.
MBTX 2035 Still in Proviso Yard/Chicago on UP
MBTX 2036 Cokeville, Wyoming on UP.
MBTX 2037 Cokeville, Wyoming on UP.

Thanks for the updates.

So 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2010, 2012 & 2013 (9 units) are on the property? (& 2008 back to P&W).
Which are/have been in revenue service?

Did I overlook 2024, where's it?

Is delivery plan known for 2000 & 2003?
Before the end of the calendar year?

2005 and 2008 are currently at the P&W. Those and all others currently on T property have run at some point. Currently, only 2001, 2006, 2007, 2010, and 2013 are running.

2000, 2003, 2024, 2038, and 2039 all have to leave MPI by the end of the year, otherwise they will have to be compliant with the Tier 4 emissions requirements that take place on 1/1/15. The mods are being done by MPI subcontractors (NS, P&W) as warranty work, simply to ensure units are "complete" and shipped off by the end of the year to evade the Tier 4 requirements, because the payments to the subcontractors are significantly less than the Tier 4 upgrades would cost. Probably not everything will be on T property by the end of the year, though.

Depending on what is specified in the contract, MPI will probably have to pay late fees (X dollars per unit per day) on at least a handful of the units. Regardless of when the units leave the plant, the T will not count them as delivered until they reach T property for the first time.

This wheel bearing issue bottled them up nicely all at various spots between MPI and the T. 25 or so units out of the 40 stuck in either the P&W, NS or somewhere enroute is not good news.

I noticed the 2012 is now back out and in service.

Seems 2024 really got lost in the shuffle there

2001, 2010 & 2012 were running Tuesday night on the Northside. Two of them
had issues....sigh

Here's an update of others in transit:

MBTX HSP46's at Altoona for warranty work:
MBTX 2018, 2019, 2022, 2023,2026,2028, 2030,
2031 & 2035

MBTX HSP46's to be shipped or enroute:
MBTX 2000 still at MPI/Boise from GE/Erie
MBTX 2003 still at MPI/Boise from DOT/Pueblo
MBTX 2024 Brophy, Iowa on UP
MBTX 2025 Brophy, Iowa on UP
MBTX 2029 Still showing in Conneaut, Ohio
MBTX 2032 "Hold status" Nampa, Idaho BVRR/UP.
MBTX 2033 Ashland Ave/Chicago, Illinois UP to NS.
MBTX 2034 Brophy, Iowa on UP.
MBTX 2036 Ashland Ave/Chicago, Illinois UP to NS.
MBTX 2037 Ashland Ave/Chicago, Illinois UP to NS.

What sort of issues this time? Seems diesel-electric locomotive technology should be pretty mature by now, excepting some of the Tier 3 computer controls, is that where the majority of issues arise?

Also, the warranty work/fix is for axle/wheel bearings, traction motor bearings, or other?
Is more detail available?

GP40MC1118 wrote:2001, 2010 & 2012 were running Tuesday night on the Northside. Two of them
had issues....sigh

It sounds like one of them failed on the Needham Line Tuesday morning too, but I don't have details other than a conductor saying that the engine that failed was "one of the brand new ones."

2013 was cut from its train today(not sure if that was the Needham problem one) which put Southside down a set Wed morning....2007 and 2010 in service to start the day Southside 11/5

scrook wrote:What sort of issues this time? Seems diesel-electric locomotive technology should be pretty mature by now, excepting some of the Tier 3 computer controls, is that where the majority of issues arise?

Also, the warranty work/fix is for axle/wheel bearings, traction motor bearings, or other?
Is more detail available?

There are a lot of software issues for starters, the locomotives have the traditional GE screens and the aftermarket screens that communicate with the equipment in the Rotems (they aren't playing nice together.) The locomotives are new and issues were expected however as far as realibility they are no where near up to par yet, not to mention ive been hearing from some of the road foreman that the AC traction hasn't lived up to expectations either on slippery rail. I'm not qualified to answer this so don't quote me however I was told the traction motors and bearings are both being replaced.

from train odors :

18A pulling to a stop at drawbridge in Cleveland 250pm.
MBTA 2037 2033 2036 all facing west. Traffic stopped ahead.