• Florida Governor Elect to Scuttle HSR Project?

  • General discussion of passenger rail systems not otherwise covered in the specific forums in this category, including high speed rail.
General discussion of passenger rail systems not otherwise covered in the specific forums in this category, including high speed rail.

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  by David Benton
 
"Since when do retirees move to Florida for "light rail?" Again, it's not a matter of consideration or even terrible applicable to the average sprawling Florida city."

yeah , if they havent got the balls to drive they should just stay at home .
  by jamesinclair
 
goodnightjohnwayne wrote:
cloudship wrote:Seems most people are judging the line based on a tourist's experience of flying to Disney.
Actually a flight followed by a rental car is very nearly the default method of travel to any Florida destination, short of driving all the way in your own personal vehicle. Due to competition, the flights are relatively inexpensive compared to many domestic destinations, and the same goes for rental cars.
Have you ever even had a vacation in Orlando?

You can get absolutely everywhere with free shuttle buses. Why on earth would you pay to rent a car and then again to park it...?


I think cloudship should have written

"Seems some people are judging the line based on a hypothetical experience of flying to Disney"
  by NE2
 
jamesinclair wrote:
goodnightjohnwayne wrote:
cloudship wrote:Seems most people are judging the line based on a tourist's experience of flying to Disney.
Actually a flight followed by a rental car is very nearly the default method of travel to any Florida destination, short of driving all the way in your own personal vehicle. Due to competition, the flights are relatively inexpensive compared to many domestic destinations, and the same goes for rental cars.
Have you ever even had a vacation in Orlando?

You can get absolutely everywhere with free shuttle buses. Why on earth would you pay to rent a car and then again to park it...?
Well, Disney at least doesn't charge for parking at the hotels. Even so, their airport shuttle is pretty popular.
  by cloudship
 
Well, first thing - Disney is not actually IN Orlando, Orlando is actually north of the attractions area, and has quite a bit that is not tourist oriented - Health Care, Lockheed-Martin, IT, etc. Of course, the HSR proposal only connects to the convention center and airport (both essentially attractions area), so there is definite need for another connection to them. Hopefully they will end up connecting SunRail properly.

But from a scale perspective, Orlando and Tampa sit at just that right distance that is too short for a plane, but an awful long drive. And Lakeland happens to sit along the perfect line between the two. This isn't going to necessarily be along distance HSR route, but it is long enough that there is a time advantage over convention rail.

What most tourists see of the two cities is not what most residents see. In Orlando most people rarely venture out of LBV/Kissimmee - Downtown Orlando is pretty centralized. And there are some developing urban centers. Likewise, Downtown Tampa is pretty big, but centralized enough that there is a downtown. Most people never get to it, though, since they usually stop at Busch Gardens. But Tampa already has a streetcar, even if it only really serves as a tourist line.

But the point is, that you have an overlay market. On one hand, you have some big tourist attractions along the way and at the end points. But you also have two urban areas that could easily be connected as well. And, you have a nice residential feeder system as well. The tourists are going to be the ones who need the transit at the ends. so long as the HSR line connects to the business districts as opposed to the outskirts, then commuters are going to drive to the station, and then get off at work.

I think a lot of people are assuming that people will drive over take the train if all other things are equal, but that's usually not the case. People would actually rather be on a train where they can work or read or rest instead of having to put up with traffic if it gets them there in the same relative amount of time and schedule. That has been proved out by many commuter rail systems already.