Diamond crossings in NY

On second thought, maybe your #21 was Golah Erie/NYC?

Charles

note- the diamond was NOT in Oak Point Yard. It was in High Bridge Yard (Bronx, NY), where the CSX Oak Point LINK crossed a Metro-North yard lead track.

-otto-

nydepot wrote:On second thought, maybe your #21 was Golah Erie/NYC?

Indeed Charles!

Genesee Valley Jct diamond at Golah was the Erie/NYC "Peanut".

...FB

More on Chemung.
I wasnt sure if today's route 17 passes over the Erie in the same spot as the DL&W/Erie crossing..

it does.

but I still cant tell if the DL&W passed over the Erie on a bridge, or if there were at-grade diamonds.
Route 17 is on the DL&W ROW west of that point, but not east of that point.

from that junction point East to Waverly, most of the DL&W ROW is still intact, and was not used for route 17..
so following the DL&W from Wilawana to the junction should give a clear view of the height of the DL&W as it approched the junction!
sounds like a walk is in order!

I drew in the current route 17 in Red:
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7909/chemung4ya.jpg

Scot

In the end the DL passed over a bridge. I do, however, have an instruction book, complete with diagrams, on how to operate across the diamonds at this point! Dated around 1880. As I stated in my first post here, virtually all were first diamonds.

henry6 wrote:In the end the DL passed over a bridge. I do, however, have an instruction book, complete with diagrams, on how to operate across the diamonds at this point! Dated around 1880. As I stated in my first post here, virtually all were first diamonds.

interesting! thanks Henry.
seems strange that the DL&W would have raised itself that much..although I suppose its not really *that* high..and a bridge would be much more convient for both railroads than a crossing..

ok!
updated list:

Former diamonds, now gone
1. P&L junction, Caledonia - BR&P/LV. (double diamond-LV)
2. Mount Morris - DL&W/PRR (double diamond -DL&W)
3. Sodus - NYC/PRR (this diamond might be in place, but not active)
4. Genesee Junction - Rochester - PRR & NYC. (double diamond-NYC)
5. Mortimer junction, Rochester, Erie/NYC (double diamond - NYC)
6. Mortimer junction, Rochester, LV/NYC (double diamond - NYC)
7. Charlotte (Rochester) NYC/NYC
8. Chili ave Bridge, Rochester, PRR/BR&P
9. Charlotte dock, Rochester, BR&P/BR&P
10. NYC Charlotte branch, Otis yard, NYC/NYC
11. Riverside junction-(Salamanca) - double crossing- PRR crossed BR&P and Erie
12. Phelps junction - PRR/NYC
13. Binghamton - D&H/DL&W
14. Cortland - LV/DL&W
15. Owego - DL&W/Erie
16. Freeville - LV/LV
17. Sidney - D&H/O&W
18. Chemung - Erie/DL&W (4 way diamond?? two 2-track mainlines)
19. G&W junction - Caledonia - G&W/Erie
20. G&W junction - Caledonia - G&W/NYC
21. Genesee Valley Junction -Golah - Erie/NYC
22. Leroy - NYC/Erie
23. Mayville - JW&NW/PRR
24. Voorheesville - D&H/NYC
25. Lake Mahopac - NYC/NYC
26. High Bridge Yard - Bronx- short lived diamond- CSX/MetroNorth
27. FW Tower, Buffalo (PRR/ERIE?)
28. EL-2 and EL-3 interlockings - Tonawanda - Erie crosses 2 NYC lines.
29. N. Tonawanda - Erie Dock line/NYC Niagara Branch
30. Erwins Crossing (Corning) - DL&W/Erie
31. Binghamton - BD tower - Erie/DL&W
32. Machias Jct - PRR/BR&P

several diamonds were at Genesee Falls RR, Rochester, industrial trackage. none remain.

regional market, Rochester (Henrietta) a dimond still there, not in use.

Diamonds still in use:

1. Binghamton - D&H/Erie (now CP/NS)
2. Olean - Erie/PRR (now WNYP/NS)? (is that right?)
3. Blasdell (Buffalo) originally ? and ?, now BSOR/NS.

henry6 wrote:As I stated in my first post here, virtually all were first diamonds.

good point..
then maybe we should just stick to "modern" diamonds..
of the 20th Century.

I always wondered if the Erie and DL&W originally crossed the LV with diamonds in Waverly/Sayre.
(in modern times, both passed over the LV on bridges..today the Erie (NS southern tier main) still passes over the former LV in Waverly)

I know the Erie was raised at some point, and was originally lower..today its clearly on an artificial embankment both east and west of downtown Waverly.
But I have never seen a photo of crossings in Waverly..
I will ask Frank Evans about that..

Scot

Now in alphabetical order..
for your viewing pleasure:


Former diamonds, now gone

Binghamton - BD tower - Erie/DL&W
Binghamton - D&H/DL&W
Bronx - High Bridge Yard - short lived diamond- CSX/MetroNorth
Buffalo - FW Tower, (PRR/ERIE?)
Caledonia - G&W junction - G&W/Erie
Caledonia - G&W junction - G&W/NYC
Caledonia - P&L junction - BR&P/LV. (double diamond-LV)
Chemung - Erie/DL&W (4 way diamond?? two 2-track mainlines)
Corning area - Erwins Crossing - DL&W/Erie
Cortland - LV/DL&W
Freeville - LV/LV
Golah - Genesee Valley Junction - Erie/NYC
Lake Mahopac - NYC/NYC
Leroy - NYC/Erie
Machias Jct - PRR/BR&P
Mayville - JW&NW/PRR
Mount Morris - DL&W/PRR (double diamond -DL&W)
Owego - DL&W/Erie
Phelps junction - PRR/NYC
Rochester - Charlotte dock, BR&P/BR&P
Rochester - Genesee Junction - PRR & NYC. (double diamond-NYC)
Rochester - Mortimer junction, Erie/NYC (double diamond - NYC)
Rochester - Mortimer junction, LV/NYC (double diamond - NYC)
Rochester - NYC Charlotte branch, Otis yard, NYC/NYC
Rochester -Charlotte- NYC/NYC
Rochester -Chili ave Bridge, PRR/BR&P
Salamanca area - Riverside junction - double crossing- PRR crossed BR&P and Erie
Sidney - D&H/O&W
Sodus - NYC/PRR (this diamond might be in place, but not active)
Tonawanda - EL-2 interlocking - Erie/NYC
Tonawanda - EL-3 interlocking - Erie/NYC
Tonawanda (N. Tonawanda) - Erie Dock line/NYC Niagara Branch
Voorheesville - D&H/NYC

several diamonds were at Genesee Falls RR, Rochester, industrial trackage. none remain.

regional market, Rochester (Henrietta) a dimond still there, not in use.

Diamonds still in use:

1. Binghamton - D&H/Erie (now CP/NS)
2. Olean - Erie/PRR (now WNYP/NS)? (is that right?)
3. Blasdell (Buffalo) originally ? and ?, now BSOR/NS.


Scot

Ah, finally something I know enough about to add to!

The diamond still in use in Blasdell is GB crossing, where the Erie, then EL, now BSOR crossed two tracks, the Nickel Plate, then N&W, now NS and the Pennsy leading to Mayville. The Pennsy took up their track after the PC merger as the NYC main was just a hundred feet away, leaving only the N&W.

Maybe three times the charm? Just kidding....

Please add:
Mount Morris: DL&W/Erie (DL&W double)

Charles

Maybe three times the charm?

nydepot,
Sorry, I just clicked to page two and started reading. Was so excited that I knew something that I didn't read page one til after my post. But I get an attaboy for extra detail, don't I?

nydepot wrote:Maybe three times the charm? Just kidding....

Please add:
Mount Morris: DL&W/Erie (DL&W double)

Charles

its been there since my original post!
its been #2 on the list from the beginning.

ah! now I see the problem..
I thought you meant DL&W/PRR at Mount Morris!
sorry charles, didnt mean to ignore your submission..I just thought I already had it.

Scot

Former diamonds, now gone

Binghamton - BD tower - Erie/DL&W
Binghamton - D&H/DL&W
Bronx - High Bridge Yard - short lived diamond- CSX/MetroNorth
Buffalo - FW Tower, (PRR/ERIE?)
Buffalo (Blasdell) - Erie/PRR
Caledonia - G&W junction - G&W/Erie
Caledonia - G&W junction - G&W/NYC
Caledonia - P&L junction - BR&P/LV. (double diamond-LV)
Chemung - Erie/DL&W (4 way diamond?? two 2-track mainlines)
Corning area - Erwins Crossing - DL&W/Erie
Cortland - LV/DL&W
Freeville - LV/LV
Golah - Genesee Valley Junction - Erie/NYC
Lake Mahopac - NYC/NYC
Leroy - NYC/Erie
Machias Jct - PRR/BR&P
Mayville - JW&NW/PRR
Mount Morris - DL&W/PRR (double diamond -DL&W)
Mount Morris - DL&W/Erie (double diamond -DL&W)
Owego - DL&W/Erie
Owego - DL&W/LV
Phelps junction - PRR/NYC
Rochester - Charlotte dock, BR&P/BR&P
Rochester - Genesee Junction - PRR & NYC. (double diamond-NYC)
Rochester - Mortimer junction, Erie/NYC (double diamond - NYC)
Rochester - Mortimer junction, LV/NYC (double diamond - NYC)
Rochester - NYC Charlotte branch, Otis yard, NYC/NYC
Rochester -Charlotte- NYC/NYC
Rochester -Chili ave Bridge, PRR/BR&P
Salamanca area - Riverside junction - double crossing- PRR crossed BR&P and Erie
Sidney - D&H/O&W
Sodus - NYC/PRR (this diamond might be in place, but not active)
Tonawanda - EL-2 interlocking - Erie/NYC
Tonawanda - EL-3 interlocking - Erie/NYC
Tonawanda (N. Tonawanda) - Erie Dock line/NYC Niagara Branch
Voorheesville - D&H/NYC

several diamonds were at Genesee Falls RR, Rochester, industrial trackage. none remain.

regional market, Rochester (Henrietta) a dimond still there, not in use.

Diamonds still in use:

1. Binghamton - D&H/Erie (now CP/NS)
2. Olean - Erie/PRR (now WNYP/NS)? (is that right?)
3. Blasdell (Buffalo) originally Erie/NKP, now BSOR/NS.

I'm pretty sure that there's a diamond over CSX Main Line track 3 just South of River Bridge (CP1) in Buffalo. My track plan shows "The Beach Lead" coming off Main Track # 1 in a West direction and dimonding over Track 3 and then becoming the "Eastbound" through Ohio St. Yard. It's way off limits into private property back there so I have no way to confirm that it still exists.

-B in B

Railroaded wrote:I'm pretty sure that there's a diamond over CSX Main Line track 3 just South of River Bridge (CP1) in Buffalo. My track plan shows "The Beach Lead" coming off Main Track # 1 in a West direction and dimonding over Track 3 and then becoming the "Eastbound" through Ohio St. Yard. It's way off limits into private property back there so I have no way to confirm that it still exists.

-B in B

B,
see if you can find it here:

http://maps.google.com/

do a search for Buffalo, NY, then click on "satellite"..
google has very high-res images for Buffalo..
if the crossover is there, it should show up clearly.

Scot

DL&W elevated the main line in Elmira in the 30s. If there was a diamond in Chemung, the elevation may have replaced it with an overpass.

Driving east on 17/86 towards the Chemung exit, you can see the DL&W ROW to the south and there is no question that in the end the DL&W had an overpass over the Erie.

Scott, one more diamond (gone): Owego - DL&W/LV