• CNJ's abandonment of Jersey City terminal

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Pertaining to all railroading subjects, past and present, in New Jersey

Moderator: David

  by carajul
 
What lead up to the CNJ abandonment of the waterfont terminal/operations at Jersey City? Was it the CNJ's cost cutting decision or was it the bankruptcy trustees orders? Looking at the arials it was a bustling rail yard in 1960 and then in 1967 it was a grass and mud field. Did the operations move elsewhere like a consolidation or something? What was the main purpose of this terminal?

It wasn't just the CNJ waterfront terminal... all the waterfront operations from Jersey City north to the Holland Tunnel went from huge rail yard in the mid-1960s to mud fields in the 1970s. In just a period of a few short years they were all wiped off the face of the earth. I'm wondering if NJ's rediculous property taxes had something to do with it. Plus the factories and warehouses on the waterfront were all condos by the 80s.

Interesting it kept it's rail look until the early 1980s when the state started to clean it up.
  by R36 Combine Coach
 
Bankruptcy was a major part of the story. For the passenger service, (Aldene) was intended to cut costs by consolidating all CNJ passenger service at Newark. The Bay Bridge was another factor.

The State of New Jersey purchased the Communipaw Terminal in 1968 and it remained brownfields until Liberty State Park opened in 1976.
  by Don31
 
carajul wrote:What lead up to the CNJ abandonment of the waterfont terminal/operations at Jersey City? Was it the CNJ's cost cutting decision or was it the bankruptcy trustees orders? Looking at the arials it was a bustling rail yard in 1960 and then in 1967 it was a grass and mud field. Did the operations move elsewhere like a consolidation or something? What was the main purpose of this terminal?

It wasn't just the CNJ waterfront terminal... all the waterfront operations from Jersey City north to the Holland Tunnel went from huge rail yard in the mid-1960s to mud fields in the 1970s. In just a period of a few short years they were all wiped off the face of the earth. I'm wondering if NJ's rediculous property taxes had something to do with it. Plus the factories and warehouses on the waterfront were all condos by the 80s.

Interesting it kept it's rail look until the early 1980s when the state started to clean it up.
What R36 said is very true. Another reason is the shift from "break-bulk" shipping to containers, which require a different yard design entirely.
  by Sir Ray
 
Remember, a significant amount of those Hudson County Waterfront Rail yards were geared to:
1) Coal Transshipment (more for local Tri-State area consumption than overseas markets)
2) Cross-Harbor floating
Both of which were in severe decline in the New York area by the 1960s. And again, once ConRail came into existance in the mid-1970s - why retain all these duplicate facilities? The answer is - they didn't (consolidation of waterfront facilities between railroads was ongoing even prior to ConRail)

"Interesting it kept it's rail look until the early 1980s when the state started to clean it up."

Jersey City wasn't really popular for redevelopment until back-office operations were moving from Manhattan (chicken and egg - did back-office operations move because of speculative office development, or were the initial office towers built specificially for known client's back-office operations - I don't recall, what being a snotty teen in the 1980s and all).
  by Don31
 
Very good points Sir Ray.
  by ExCon90
 
To expand a little on Don31's point about shifting import-export traffic from breakbulk to containers, a major part of the New Jersey waterfront from the West Shore at Weehawken to the CNJ at Jersey City was devoted to lighterage, which involved physically transloading freight, package by package, from boxcars to lighters and vice versa, the lighters subsequently being towed by railroad-owned tugs to steamship piers all over the harbor. Because of traditional trade customs and practices embodied in tariffs over the years, exporters had 5 business days of "free time" in which to notify the railroad which steamship pier to deliver the freight to; this resulted in the need for miles of yard tracks to store all those cars while awaiting orders from exporters. The whole operation cost the railroads a bundle, and as containerization began to take hold in the mid-1960's the railroads made a major effort to convert that freight to containers, which were handled in intermodal terminals at entirely different locations (which didn't need to be on the waterfront, and were mostly located in places that had formerly been carload classification yards themselves).
An incidental point regarding the shift of passenger service to Newark via Aldene was the fact that there were only two ferries in service, the TIDES and the NARROWS, acquired second-hand from (I think) the old 59th St. Brooklyn to St. George ferry operation. If one or both of them had suddenly failed a Coast Guard inspection there would have been no practical alternative immediately available.
  by RedbirdR33
 
There were three ferryboats active until the end. The aforementioned THE TIDES and THE NARROWS and the last of the CNJ's own boats , the ELIZABETH (ex LAKEWOOD). All three boats were active in the last week of service. Friday, April 28, 1967 was the last day for the ELIZABETH. The other two boats provided service on Saturday, April 29 and it fell to THE TIDES to make the last crossing in the early morning hours of Sunday, April 30. THE TIDES had also closed out the Brooklyn-Staten Island service three years earlier.

Larry, RedbirdR33
  by Ken W2KB
 
Thanks for the memories! I rode in the wheelhouse with the captain on the last round trip of the Elizabeth, and as a regular passenger on the last round trip of the Tides. In the latter case, thence the last train from the Terminal, getting off at Bayonne, West 8th Street Station.
  by RedbirdR33
 
Ken: I rode the ELIZABETH that Friday. Of the three boats she was the only one that could load from the upper deck and the CNJ crews duly maned the upper bridges for her. I rode the last eastbound into JC and then made the last eastbound crossing. Good for you that you made the last trip on the ferry and the last train out of JC. Although the CNJ would continue for another nine years I always felt that something of its soul died that day.

Larry, RedbirdR33
  by peconicstation
 
There were a number of factors the resulted in the Aldene Plan, and the abandonment of the CNJ complexes in Jersey City.

I wrote a term paper on it back in 1979, and spent many hours researching it in the NJ Studies Room at the Newark Public Library.

The overriding issue that came up was the huge cost involved in running the CNJ ferry boat fleet, and the lack of alternatives based on the location of the
CNJ terminal. The exisiting Hoboken Terminal, and the former Erie terminal in Jersey City had the benefits of Hudson Tubes/PATH service. When the Erie-Lackawanna ended ferry service in November of'67, life went on, with PATH trains and Public Service busses filling the void.
What I found interesting is that both the CNJ and Lackawanna ferries provided car service right up to the end. The traffic nightmares that would become the norm at the Lincoln and Holland tunnels were not yet an issue, so the value of these ferries was not respected at that time.

The issue of running busses between the CNJ terminal and points in New York City was viewed as possible during "off-peak" and weekend hours,
but not during the all important rush hour periods. Prior to 1958 when the B & O ran daily trains to and from Jersey City they provided bus connections, but their services were not as rush hour focused as the CNJ and Reading.

However, you also had the "gorilla in the room" during the mid to late 1960's. That gorilla being the fact that at that point there was a question as to whether commuter rail would be needed in the future. When NJ-DOT started to subsidize commuter rail in the mid-1960's the overall feeling was that it was needed as a stop-gap until a permanent solution could be determined. Some felt that bus service could fully replace commuter rail, others felt that a combination of the 2 was a solution. The Palmer Plan, the precourser to the Aldene Plan, called for this rail/bus combination. The volume of passengers that the New York to Trenton line carries today, was not viewed as a possibility back then. Even the Aldene Plan connection was not built as it should have been (with 2 tracks), since it was considered an exploratory way to see if CNJ commuter service was viable going forward.

Finally the CNJ was able to use the Aldene Plan as a passenger train "house cleaning" time. In addition to the schedule changes made for the Aldene Plan, the CNJ ended 24 hour service to and from Raritan, ended all passenger services to Easton, Bethlehem and Allentown, and truncated passenger service on the main line to run only as far west as Hampton. In addition the CNJ ended all passenger service on it's Newark and Elizabeth branch which not only included the Broad Street to Elizabethport shuttles, but 2 rush hour round trips between Broad Street and South Kearny (to serve the remaining industries there and Western Electric), and a single rush trip between Plainfield and South Kearny.

One interesting note in all of this came up in some of the newspapers clippings I reviewed way back then. There were some state politicos that thought the Aldene Plan was foolhardy since it would shrink the states passenger train network, and options. It was brought up that back in 1946 when the CNJ's Hackensack River swing bridge was damaged beyond repair, the CNJ should have been allowed to rebuild it was a low level swing bridge. The Dept of The Army required that the bridge be rebuilt as a high level lift bridge, if rebuilt at all. The CNJ opted to remove what was left of the bridge, and thus the Newark Bay Bridge became the sole connection between the Jersey City complex and the mainland. Had a Hackensack River bridge been rebuilt back in '46, perhaps the
Jersey City terminal and freight yards would have been viewed as more viable.

Ken
  by Don31
 
All very true. There was also some pressure from shippers and the Coast Guard about removing the Newark Bay Bridge, calling it a navigation hazard.
  by R36 Combine Coach
 
If that was the case, why wasn't the LV Bay Bridge (now Conrail) under pressure as well? It also is a lift span requiring regular openings, unlike the high level Turnpike Bridge (built 1956).
  by econandon
 
R36 Combine Coach wrote:If that was the case, why wasn't the LV Bay Bridge (now Conrail) under pressure as well? It also is a lift span requiring regular openings, unlike the high level Turnpike Bridge (built 1956).
This is total speculation, but I suspect it forms part of the answer: the location of the CNJ bridge (south of Port Newark and Port Elizabeth) was much more sensitive than Upper Bay Bridge. Judging by Google Earth, the two bridges are separated by only 3.3 miles, but there is a lot of commercial activity in between.
  by Don31
 
R36 Combine Coach wrote:If that was the case, why wasn't the LV Bay Bridge (now Conrail) under pressure as well? It also is a lift span requiring regular openings, unlike the high level Turnpike Bridge (built 1956).
I couldn't tell you. My guess is that its upriver from all the major container terminals. I just read about Newark Bay at some point.
  by CJPat
 
And just to emphasize the point that was addressed a bit mildly, don't forget the collapse of manufacturing throughout the entire zone, Newark to New York. NYC had a lot of manufacturing (usually the core foundation of most cities). This required a lot of raw materials brought in and finished products moved out. The cost of manufacturing in the NYC/Newark area was re-evaluated by the respective manufacturing owners to include the cost of their aging facilities (a lot of it going back to the late 1800's-early 1900's). As import taxes were reduced to promote global exchange of products and labor and facility costs were found to be cheaper down south, all those factories began to shut down and move South. Reduction in Manufacturing = Reduction in Freight, both in and out.

So throw that additional log onto the fire. The Aldene Plan definitely impacted CNJ, but in reality, the economy and the costs associated manufacturing had already driven a spike into the heart of the railroads in this area. The change in the municipal taxing laws of real estate in New Jersey also added a significant extra operation cost to the Roads.