Limited-Clear wrote:Suburban, so you telling me that 30th street station is not policed, you really need to wake up and take a look around you
no, I'm telling you the sealed underground tunnel is not policed at 30th st. that's why you seal it in the first place which is a better solution than destruction.
NorthPennLimited wrote:bottom line, North Broad should be on the Do Not Resuscitate list. Like Logan or Nicetown train stations, the surrounding neighborhood is an urban wasteland.
If anything, they should abandon North Broad and build a similar station next to Spring Garden station in a neighborhood that is revitalizing itself.
Once a station has under 200 passenger boardings, it's time to cut the life support system and redirect the money towards more worthwhile areas of the system.
first make the mind bogglingly stupid decision to remove island platforms which leads to a dramatic reduction in service, then people stop riding, then you abandon. in west chester you stop maintaining service, it's unreliable, its reduced, ridership drops, then you claim there's no ridership. maybe amtrak should terminate trains at newark, then eliminate the nec when ridership drops off. at one point they abandoned spring garden, now it makes sense again/ gee, certainly seems like destroying long term assets unnecessarily when you don't know the futute is short sighted. I don't disagree that SEPTA should more aggressively "abandon" stations but preserving them, particularly in the case of a place like north broad, makes far more sense than destroying them.
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there are more than 30 stations that have fewer than 200 boardings OR alightings (more if you just look at boardings). the most heavily ridden of those is bridesburg, pennlyn, and folcroft which would be eliminated. This would save SEPTA an enormous amount of capital (likely $10 million to $30 million each right in ADA work right?). worse, there are eight stations on septa's own list which never get eliminated. 3of them are city stations (angora, 49th st, and highland) while 5 are in the suburbs (eddington, new britain, eddystone, del val college. angora, link belt, and eddington are the three worst in the system. in the longer term, rather than simply eliminating them, a rational plan to consolidate or improve performance should be designed. for example, if I lived in west philly the only reason to take the train would be to go to west chester or if the train continued on somewhere useful. perhaps angora and 49th could be consolidated into one 52nd st station, or maybe one new station at the unversity of the sciences.
Push/Pull Master wrote:
Instead of cutting off the life support system, the better thing would be trying to make it a busy station again.
each one is different I'd think. what is the next closest station? what are the connections, what are the reasons ridership is low, etc. I definitely think north broad could play a much larger role in moving people from north philly to norristown rather than shuffling everyone to wissahickon where they can sit in traffic on the schuylkill.