jp1822 wrote:marquisofmississauga wrote:I have two comments regarding some previous postings. The 30+ cars that are supposedly going to be scrapped are all sleeping car shells. The window placement isn't conducive to conversion to coaches. The dining room cars have had thick dividing panels placed between most tables so they line up better with the windows. I don't claim to understand the reasoning, but I'm told that changing the windows on this equipment is too difficult. For this reason no large door was added to the sleeper shells used as baggage cars.
Regarding the former immigration holding cell, I noticed on my tour of the cars in their original condition that it was in what is now the empty space in the service car's lounge section. There was also an immigration officer's office beside it. The "accessible suite" with its two berths was in the original configuration of the service cars.
I was fairly surprised recently to learn how many sleepers were actually built for the Ocean. Some how I was thinking the number would have been higher (considering there are three Ocean train sets), but it wasn't. I would also think that later on, it would be easier for VIA to obtain coaches (likely from the US) than sleepers or diners. This was one of the reasons I was hoping that VIA would have completed the sleeper shells of the Renaissance cars, so as to use these as 1) extra sleepers as needed for the Ocean service 2) sleepers perhaps for an overnight corridor train or 3) addtional transition or baggage cars.
VIA only has, to my knowledge, three Renaissance Diners. What happens if one of those diners gets severly damaged or is called out of service? VIA's instance reaction would be to assign a Budd stainless steel train set back to the Ocean. But that's not a long term solution, as it would cut into the pool of cars allocated for VIA's flagship train - the Canadian.
Building out at least some extra Renaissance sleepers, another two Renaissance diners, and the like I think would have been beneficial for VIA's overall long term viability without having to stretch its service thin. As an example, if VIA is ever given the green light to expand service or create new service on a portion of rail, it will likely spread the ex-CP stainless steel Budd cars thin again. This is something that the Renaissance cars were able to relieve (i.e. the Ocean's former Budd stainless steel cars went to augment the Canadian's consists).
And although the Chaleur never got Renaissance cars, it was supposed to. That service would have required at least three Renaissance sleepers, a Renaissance diner, Renaissance baggage car, and if needed, a transtion car between the Renaissance cars and non-Renaissance equipment as needed. But there would have likely been more Renaissance cars needed using the sleeper sheels than say Renaissance coach cars. However, I like the Chaleur with the older, yet rennovated equipment, as this route certainly is worthy of a dome car (the Skyline Dome Car is used).
Via Rail are a bunch of idiots if they scrap those car shells! What if they have a major wreck with the Ocean?
I'm from Gaspe and love the Budd equipment on the Gaspe train!
My niece and i tried to upgrade to a sleeper on the Enterprise onec from Montreal and the ticket agent said it wopuld be $500 to $600!!!
We said we would try and upgrade on the train and the Via personel couldn't be bothered to or they were not allowed to do it they never got back to us!!
I know for a fact that the 3 sleepers on the train ( I think there was 3 sleepers?) that maybe they had enough passergers tho fill 1 of the sleepers as we weregiven tour throu the sleepers and there was nobody in the service car.
When Via bought the cars from the UK they were bragging what a great deal this was for Canada and Via Rail and how much cheaper it was to buy than order new viewliners and coaches and the long time it would take to get these cars into service. Well they will never never tell how much money it cost to ship these cars over here and modify them and now they are going to scrap 33 of them???? So what is the cost of each of the cars if you factor in the 33 cars that they are never going to use??? 3 or 4 million $$$??? What a waste of MONEY BY VIA RAIL MANAGEMENT!!!
They had a problem with one of the Ocean's cars and had to leave the whole set of cars in the Quebec City station to be reapaired!!!! and they hijacked the Gaspe cars and sent them to Halifax!!! They kicked the people out of there cars and sent them by bus to Gaspe and put some of the Halifax passengers in the Gaspe cars.That what happens when you have semi-permentley coupled train sets!!! I would have totally pissed off this would have happend to me if was going to Gaspe!!!
Why don't they just put those 33 cars into service somewhere in the corridor or have a back up set for tha Ocean in Montreal and Halifax and not have to steal the Budd cars from the Canadian,Chaleur, or the Churchill trains!!!???
As far as i'm concerned Via Rail's management are a bunch of idiots! Amtrak's management makes some screw ups but not like Via's.
Is everybody scared to criticize Via Rail management??? All i ever here is how better Via is than Amtrak but i just travelled on the Lakeshore from Buffalo to Chicago by sleeper both ways and the service was way superior than Via's and the price charged by Amtrak would have been half of that if the Enterpise was still running. Sorry about the rant as nobody else seems to want to say anything bad about Via Rail...