• Routing of Washington -- Chicago Amtrak service

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Discussion related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp.

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  by NellieBly
 
On another thread, the routing of Amtrak's Washington -- Chicago trains via the Conrail Port Road was briefly discussed. I thought it might be worthwhile to review the routing of that service from May 1, 1971 to the present,

Until April 30, 1971, Penn Central (and before it PRR) had routed service from Washington via Balitmore and York, PA to Harrisburg over the former Northern Central Railroad. This required a change of direction and a change of motive power in Baltimore, so when Amtrak began operating on May 1, 1971 they re-routed the Washington -- Chicago service via Perryville, MD and the line along the Susquehanna River, which had not had passenger service since the 1940s (although it was, and remains, a fairly busy freight line). Routing this way enabled Amtrak to use electric traction all the way, and also to avoid a change of direction in Harrisburg.

I rode the Amtrak service on a number of occasions since I was going to college and then grad school in Chicago, 1971 -- 1976, and my parents lived in Washington. Train usually consisted of a sleeper, a sleeper-lounge, and a couple of coaches. I remember it as generally being powered by an E unit (one of the units that came off the "Broadway" in Harrisburg, in fact). Others have said the train used a GG1. Amtrak also operated (on a separate schedule) a Washington section of the "National Limited" to St. Louis and Kansas City. This was never more than two coaches, and at the end, usually one.

One nice touch during the mid-1970s was that that lounge on the Washington section was generally an ex-B&O flat end obs (former "Capitol Limited" car). It was delightful riding down the Port Road from Harrisburg, eating a light breakfast in the obs (which, since it was the only food service car on the train, served both sleeper and coach passengers).

The "Broadway" Washington section lasted until 1977, when Amtrak decided to continue splitting the train in Harrisburg but send the Washington section via 30th Street, Philadelphia. I rode this route as well. it actually wasn't much longer than the Port Road, since speed limits were a lot higher on the Keystone line and the NEC than on the Port Road. The switching still occurred in Harrisburg, enabling the NYC portion of the train to use the "New York -- Pittsburgh Subway" west of Zoo Tower, and bypass 30th Street entirely. This Washington section carried a diner-lounge, often a former ATSF counter-lounge car.

The train continued to run via 30th Street until early 1984, when Amtrak and CSX completed trackwork that allowed a train from the former B&O to access Pittsburgh's Penn Station. This involved creation of two new control points, one on Conrail and one on the former B&O, and construction of about a mile of track between them, to enable the Washington-Chicago train to run through from the former B&O (P&W sub) to Conrail at Penn Station. This, of course, became the route of a new train, the "Capitol Limited". The Broadway then began calling at 30th Street once again (necessitating a change of direction, so the engine change from diesel to electric was done at 30th Street rather than Harrisburg).

The Port Road continued to handle a Washington connection for the "National Limited" until late 1979, when the "National" was terminated along with a number of other trains. Then, after nearly a decade of regularly scheduled passenger service, the Port Road once again became freight-only.

Neither of the Amtrak trains over the Port Road made any intermediate stops between Harrisburg and Baltimore.

I first rode the Port Road, by the way, in June of 1969, on my first mainline steam excursion. Former CP Pacifics 1278 and 1293, then owned by an organization called Historic Red Clay Valley, pulled a train from Baltimore Penn Station up the NEC to Perryville, thence up the Port Road to Harrisburg. We had a GG1 (the Bayview Helper) to assist us through the Union Tunnels leaving Baltimore, and then double-headed steam all the way to Harrisburg. Of course, at that time the Port Road was "rare mileage" and we were all very excited to ride it. None of us knew that the return of regular passenger service was only two years away.

While we were in Harrisburg, 759 steamed overhead on the Reading, returning from the AAR "Golden Spike Limited" assignment. Also, at Safe Harbor, PA, Philadelphia Electric had their "fireless cooker" in steam and moving back and forth for us during a stop there.

The trip returned to Baltimore via the Northern Central, which of course still had daily passenger service at the time. We met the single remaining passenger train at York, on street running. It was one coach, a baggage car, and an E unit.

Two years after that trip, the Northern Central had no passenger service and the Port Road had two Amtrak trains a day. Three years later, in 1972, the Northern Central was washed out by Hurricane Agnes, and would never again serve as a through route. The south end (to Timonium, MD) is the Baltimore Central Light Rail Line today. North of Timonium to the PA border, it's a bike path.

Who would have thought, in 1969, that things would turn out that way?
  by KillerB
 
It's too bad - Harrisburg-Baltimore-Washington is now a popular route for commuters and a through train on the old Northern Central would be quite popular, IMO. Additionally, a fair number of people commute from the Selinsgrove/Sunbury/Northumberland area to Harrisburg, and PA would do well to have a commuter service there as well.
  by jp1822
 
In addition to getting the Pennsylvanian through cars to Chicago, it would seem that the State of Pennsylvania is missing a descent north-south train. I've often wondered whether a Washington DC - Harrisburg - Buffalo train would ever be viable again. I believe it was the "Buffalo Day Express" back in the day. Course track conditions and what not would have to be majorly updated or even re-built. The end-point would also likely have to be Niagara Falls, NY
  by shlustig
 
IIRC, the Buffalo trains on the PRR existed because of the healthy postal and other head-end business. Any trains added today would have to be viable based solely on the passenger counts.
  by Station Aficionado
 
By the end of private passenger service (per the Mar. 1971 OG), Buffalo-Harrisburg, and Harrisburg-Baltimore were separate trains that did not connect. Also, the Buffalo-Harrisburg train was every other day, and Harrisburg-Baltimore passengers had to make a connection in Baltimore to continue to Washington.
  by Tadman
 
At the end of PC passenger service, those Was-Hbg-Buf trains were a sorry lot. If you've ever seen pictures of the later Buffalo Day Express, you know what I mean. One battered E-8 and one coach, appearing to bob and weave along the ROW at 30-45 mph. Definitely the nadir of American passenger trains.
  by JimBoylan
 
Tadman wrote:At the end of PC passenger service, those Was-Hbg-Buf trains were a sorry lot. If you've ever seen pictures of the later Buffalo Day Express, you know what I mean. One battered E-8 and one coach.
On Sat., Apr. 3, 1971, the Buffalo Day Express I rode also had a full baggage car. Leave Harrisburg 10:00 a.m., arrive Buffalo Central Terminal 6:20 p.m.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
The Day Express, which I have ridden "all the way', had, circa 1966, "spruced up" P-70 Coaches assigned to it. These cars were refurbished for the short lived State supported Seaford-Wilmington Blue Diamond (the train that when stationed at Dover AFB was "the one I'll always ride tomorrow" - until there was no tomorrow) and included tinted windows (photo takers don't you love that?) and reclining seats salvaged from P-85br Coaches that had a quite short service life (built 1947; all gone well before A-Day).
  by ExCon90
 
KillerB wrote:It's too bad - Harrisburg-Baltimore-Washington is now a popular route for commuters and a through train on the old Northern Central would be quite popular, IMO. Additionally, a fair number of people commute from the Selinsgrove/Sunbury/Northumberland area to Harrisburg, and PA would do well to have a commuter service there as well.
The Northern Central was known for its constant curvature. I think it was unique in indicating permanent speed restrictions by white rings on the line poles--3 rings=30 mph, 4 rings=40 mph, etc., and between Baltimore and York it seemed like you saw a succession of 3-ring poles and 4-ring poles, plus there was the street running in York. In 1956 the Liberty Limited and others took 3 hours, give or take 5 or 10 minutes, between Washington and Harrisburg, including the reversal in Baltimore. Today, Rand McNally shows 126 miles from Harrisburg to Washington (presumably via I-83 and connections)--I don't see a revival of the Northern Central being able to compete with that. Besides, the Baltimore end is now the Central Light Rail Line, and there's no room for a parallel railroad line.
  by amtrakowitz
 
jp1822 wrote:In addition to getting the Pennsylvanian through cars to Chicago, it would seem that the State of Pennsylvania is missing a (decent) north-south train. I've often wondered whether a Washington DC - Harrisburg - Buffalo train would ever be viable again. I believe it was the "Buffalo Day Express" back in the day. Course track conditions and what not would have to be majorly updated or even re-built. The end-point would also likely have to be Niagara Falls, NY
They don't even have an indecent north-south train. There is no north-south passenger rail service of any kind in PA. A lot of through routes have been allowed to rot; in order to get from Philadelphia to Bethlehem by rail, you have to go via Reading, since the Bethlehem Branch of the RDG ceased operations in the 1980s between Bethlehem and Quakertown; and if you are starting on the Pennsy rails, you have to go via Harrisburg and Reading.

Buffalo-Depew would not be a viable terminus, even with the lackluster efforts to upgrade the Empire Corridor to high speed. Buffalo Central Terminal of course still stands, but is itself rotting and the tracks are diverted around it.
  by Noel Weaver
 
amtrakowitz wrote:
jp1822 wrote:In addition to getting the Pennsylvanian through cars to Chicago, it would seem that the State of Pennsylvania is missing a (decent) north-south train. I've often wondered whether a Washington DC - Harrisburg - Buffalo train would ever be viable again. I believe it was the "Buffalo Day Express" back in the day. Course track conditions and what not would have to be majorly updated or even re-built. The end-point would also likely have to be Niagara Falls, NY
They don't even have an indecent north-south train. There is no north-south passenger rail service of any kind in PA. A lot of through routes have been allowed to rot; in order to get from Philadelphia to Bethlehem by rail, you have to go via Reading, since the Bethlehem Branch of the RDG ceased operations in the 1980s between Bethlehem and Quakertown; and if you are starting on the Pennsy rails, you have to go via Harrisburg and Reading.

Buffalo-Depew would not be a viable terminus, even with the lackluster efforts to upgrade the Empire Corridor to high speed. Buffalo Central Terminal of course still stands, but is itself rotting and the tracks are diverted around it.
If the politicians of Pennsylvania have an ounce of brains and I hope they have at least an ounce, they would concentrate on some kind of service to Allentown/Bethlehem out of Philadelphia and Reading again out of Philadelphia before they would worry about a route between Harrisburg and Buffalo which would not benefit many and probably would cost a lot.
Noel Weaver
  by jp1822
 
The unfortunate part is that the rails between Quakertown, PA and Bethlehem, PA have fallen on to hard times. Certain sections I think are now even out of service - particularly between Hellertown and Bethelhem where parts of the railroad have already been ripped up for an intended "rail-trail." I too wish that Bethlehem/Allentown to Philly service was still in place, especially with all the recent "redevelopment" in Bethlehem, let alone the college markets that could be tapped into.
  by jp1822
 
It's too bad that the State of PA woldn't pony up some money for:

1) A second Harrisburg to Pittsburgh frequency (morning Pennsylvian and an afternoon Pennsylvanian)
2) A train from Philly to Reading (even though this is on the SEPTA "to do list")
3) A train from Philly to Bethlehem/Allentown (and perhaps even up to Jim Thorpe and Scranton!)

All could use Philly as a hub to operate out of, as they would need diesel power to operate.

Another route potentially would be NYC/Newark to Phillipsburg/Easton/Bethlehem/Allentown and then out to either Reading and Harrisburg or up to Jim Thorpe and Scanton. Such a route would be popular for not only some regular riders looking to get from point A to point B, but also again college students and those taking a vacation. Jim Thorpe has made a huge come back in the tourist market and so too has the Lehigh Valley. Traffic on Interstate 78 is horrendous. I am just not sure how Amtrak would operate a train from NYC to Newark (change power) and then head out to PA (and vice versa). Yes, it could run into Hoboken Terminal under just diesel power, but Amtrak has no facilities there either to service the train. I am afraid an engine change would not be looked upon very fondly and cost effectively. Amtrak could even operate the train like NJT does with the ACES train - electric and diesel power being carried on the train. However, this would almost have to wait until Amtrak gets its new order of electric engines and even then, only 20 minutes of the ride would be under electric power. NJT has plans to extend the Raritan line out to Phillipsburg, which would relieve some pressures - but not enough. I could certainly see this as a popular college train as many Lehigh University students come from the tri-state area of PA, NJ, New York and even New England.
  by R36 Combine Coach
 
jp1822 wrote:Another route potentially would be NYC/Newark to Phillipsburg/Easton/Bethlehem/Allentown and then out to either Reading and Harrisburg or up to Jim Thorpe and Scanton. Such a route would be popular for not only some regular riders looking to get from point A to point B, but also again college students and those taking a vacation. Jim Thorpe has made a huge come back in the tourist market and so too has the Lehigh Valley.
Currently Trans-Bridge operates frequent daily bus service between the Lehigh Valley and New York and is the only public transit option since the CNJ ended passenger service. The casinos (served by the bus) are also popular destinations in the region as well.