by njtmnrrbuff
Whatever WADOT and Oregon DOT decide to have Amtrak replace the existing Talgos with, I hope that the successors will be able to tilt around the curves, otherwise the travel times won't be up to par.
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njt/mnrrbuff wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:36 pm Whatever WADOT and Oregon DOT decide to have Amtrak replace the existing Talgos with, I hope that the successors will be able to tilt around the curves, otherwise the travel times won't be up to par.if so, it would only really be because we are weary of running trains fast through curves. permitted talgo cant-deficiency on the Cascades isn't that much different from what permitted on conventional trains elsewhere.
Pensyfan19 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:44 pmbostontrainguy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:10 am There are reports on other sites that these Talgo sets will be sent to the Pacific Northwest and will be available July 1 for service.But weren't these cars supposed to be replaced by Amtrak because they were deemed unsafe and the possible cause of the Cascades derailment of 2017??? (Talgos weren't the reason. The reason for the crash is going 70 in a 30 mph zone!) Also, wasn't Amtrak even ordering more Talgo coaches for the route?
bdawe wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:05 pm the older 1990s talgos without the enhanced crashworthiness features (i think?) are being replaced (the ones with the comfortable seats, I agree) as a way of blaming something other than deficient training for this accidentCouldn't have said it better. The accident and cover up were a paean to sh***ty management, and this is why I'm so hard on Amtrak. Yeah, there are lots of good people there. But the organizational culture is downright crap and we all know it. The cover up in the Talgo accident and scapegoating went so smoothly. Nobody even talks about it anymore, and Amtrak gets to play rolling stock god again. Because they are soooo good at doing that.
Two Amtrak-owned Talgo Series VI trainsets moved from Washington state to Amtrak’s Beech Grove, Ind., shop complex this weekend for storage following their retirement from use in Amtrak Cascades service in the Pacific Northwest. Ultimate disposition of the Mt. Hood and Mt. Olympus trainsets is unknown. Two other trainsets, owned by the Washington State Department of Transportation, remain in Washington. The Series VI sets were retired from service in the Northwest after one set was involved in a fatal December 2017 derailment in DuPont, Wash., which led to a National Transportation Safety Board report critical of the equipment [see “Safety Board says multiple state and federal agencies failed in 2017 Washington state crash,” Trains News Wire, May 21, 2019]. Talgo has contested the portion of the report finding the design of the equipment contributed to the accident’s fatalities and injuries [see “Talgo challenges NTSB finding in ‘Cascades’ accident report,” News Wire, Nov. 1, 2019].
njtmnrrbuff wrote:Whatever WADOT and Oregon DOT decide to have Amtrak replace the existing Talgos with, I hope that the successors will be able to tilt around the curves, otherwise the travel times won't be up to par.The Horizon or Amfleet or whatever is being used as substitute has been approved by BNSF to run at "T" speeds. So non-issue.
wigwagfan wrote:The Horizon or Amfleet or whatever is being used as substitute has been approved by BNSF to run at "T" speeds. So non-issue.That surprising. I always understood that the Talgos were granted higher speeds based on the use of the tilting technology.
gokeefe wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:07 amSo surprising would it be too much to ask for some published verification?wigwagfan wrote:The Horizon or Amfleet or whatever is being used as substitute has been approved by BNSF to run at "T" speeds. So non-issue.That surprising. I always understood that the Talgos were granted higher speeds based on the use of the tilting technology.
electricron wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:41 amI've seen responses from WSDOT on their blog on the topic:gokeefe wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:07 amSo surprising would it be too much to ask for some published verification?wigwagfan wrote:The Horizon or Amfleet or whatever is being used as substitute has been approved by BNSF to run at "T" speeds. So non-issue.That surprising. I always understood that the Talgos were granted higher speeds based on the use of the tilting technology.
Or are we to take the word of one person who posts a lot blindly?
The Horizon trains are approved and running at the same speeds as the Talgo equipment.https://wsdotblog.blogspot.com/2020/07/ ... 7104866592
The Horizon cars are able to meet the same time schedules as the Talgo cars. There will not be any changes to the schedules due to the change in equipment.https://wsdotblog.blogspot.com/2020/07/ ... 6381367033
Amtrak obtained approval to run the Horizon equipment at Talgo speeds.https://wsdotblog.blogspot.com/2020/07/ ... 4889572826