by CLamb
Those artist's conception drawings in the Crains article show an ugly looking Moynihan Station. I don't think its style could clash more with that of the Farley building. Is public comment going to be sought on the design?
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nova08 wrote:Maybe I'm a sentimentalist, but can't we just stick with Penn Station?Someone should have said that in 1964. Today's Penn is a hot mess and not architecturally significant. Picture a small town airport buried under a sports dome with 20 subway stations buried below said small town airport at rush hours in New York and you basically get the situation.
Ken W2KB wrote:Forget about the style. From what I have seen they are going to make the blunder of not planning (1) to extend the West End Concourse access to tracks 1-4 and (2) make the postal platform accessible and usable for passenger service. Both seem to be due to lack of NJ involvement in the project as they directly benefit only NJT. The benefits to Amtrak and LIRR are only indirect in having to deal with fewer NJT passengers and trains elsewhere in the station. The postal platform can only be utilized after the Gateway tunnels are completed, but if they do not plan for passenger access from the building above to it now (stair locations, elevator, etc.) it will never happen. The postal platform is a cheap way to add platform capacity without building Penn South, but there is no indication that anyone is thinking that far ahead especially given that the project is spirit-headed by Cuomo and that platform does not directly benefit LIRR. This is where public comments might actually make useful change to the project, but I really doubt that there will be public comment period as an Environmental Analysis is not required for buildings.CLamb wrote:Those artist's conception drawings in the Crains article show an ugly looking Moynihan Station. I don't think its style could clash more with that of the Farley building. Is public comment going to be sought on the design?If public comment is sought on the style, it probably would add at least a year or more delay to the project, to evaluate, respond and effect changes based on comments, and likely increase the cost.
adamj023 wrote:Do you have a direct link to the plans? I couldn't find anything on the Moynihan sites.geico wrote:It is physically possible and an extension plan to tracks 1-4 was an option of the project and diagrams were drawn up which is found on the Moynihan station project website. As they build out the train hall, they will decide if it is in their best interest to add the extension or not depending on usage of those tracks in the future. NJ Transit has not committed to West End Concourse so as of now its unclear what will happen. The new concourse handles all LIRR and Amtrak trains as of now.hioo1 wrote:Are they planning to extend the concourse to tracks 1-4?I thought it wasnt physically possible to extend the WEC over to Tracks 1-4
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JamesRR wrote: Do you have a direct link to the plans? I couldn't find anything on the Moynihan sites.Take a look at the following link https://cdn.esd.ny.gov/subsidiaries_pro ... hmentA.pdf. Down right it says "potential future construction not in scope" and points to the connections to platforms 1 and 2. Also note that what was currently built is not what is shown on the graphics -- the built portion does not go as far south as the graphics. Note that certain columns appear to be in the way of these connectors which is why I doubt that they will ever be built because of ADA -- there is no space for elevators or enough width of the passages. While the subway tracks are not shown, I believe that you are not correct and that they are not in the way -- notice the location of the stairs in these connectors -- they go down and then pass under the IND line at Penn platform level.
Looking at the layout at Penn the other day, is it really possible to extend the concourse to tracks 1-4? It appears the 8th Ave IND subway is in the way, and going under it looks like a clearance conflict with the Penn tracks. The entrance gates to the A train, while under the 8th Ave line, sit north of Track 21, so there's no conflict there.
frequentflyer wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cuo ... -1.3420953Yes, the post office sits above the west ends of most platforms. It is good to see something finally being done. Unfortunately they are building the station for the wrong railroad. Given the location the natural users are NJTransit and Amtrak, not LIRR.
Does the old Post Office sit above Amtrak's tracks? If not, how is that going to work?
Allouette wrote:Comparing the "Attachment A" map to Amtrak's map used in the PSNY status reports shows that the plan is for the platforms for tracks 1-4 to be reachable from the "Phase 1 area to be constructed". I think the intent is still to have NJT have its own concourse in the current Penn Station footprint.As for making tracks 1-4 reachable -- forget it. It will happen only if Penn South gets constructed and that seems unlikely to happen by at least 2070. You and I will not be around then. While it was possible to devise connections to the platforms for 1-4 now, the general plan is that construction of Penn South will allow extending tracks 1-4 west making the platforms reach under the Phase 1 West End Concourse. Problem with expanding them now is that the subway under 8th Avenue is in the way.