• Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

  • Discussion relating to commuter rail, light rail, and subway operations of the MBTA.
Discussion relating to commuter rail, light rail, and subway operations of the MBTA.

Moderators: sery2831, CRail

  by MetroBostonRailways
 
bmcdr wrote:F-40 1015 has been added to the deadline as of Saturday Jan.24th. According to the Diesel House Foreman, 1000-1009-1014-1015 will be air tested and shipped to the Cape Cod RR sometime in the next couple of weeks, it is unclear at this time if this is a lease deal or an outright sale. Also, GP-40 1132, laid up for several months now, will be shipped out for rebuilding.
Sooo when are these 4 screamers heading to the Cape?
  by boatbuilder
 
I recently counted 18 MBTA coaches sitting at the Quonset Point Industrial Park in Rhode Island. The 15 single level coaches have been here for a month or more. There are also three double decker coaches getting "rewrapped" at the Sea View RR shop. How can the T claim a equipment shortage while all this equipment sits idle in Rhode Island?
  by TomNelligan
 
The single level cars are elderly MBBs that were retired on account of old age and general decreptitude. They were stored rather than scrapped, but they would need a lot of work to go back into service. No quick fix there.
  by F-line to Dudley via Park
 
1) If you think the breakdowns have been bad this winter, just watch how bad they would've been had those rotting carcasses been yanked out of storage. Hopefully fantasy talk of refurbishing them for Western MA commuter rail is ending now that former Gov. Patrick's spokesflaks aren't around to free-associate bonkers ideas like that, because those things are D-U-N done.

2) They're in Seaview because there's no place to store them at BET. Finite capacity means old unused things can't be kept in reserve forever.

3) Extra coaches do nothing when it's the power that's desperately short. And when it's the switches + signals + unplowed rail lines that are malfunctioning and/or impassible. Ailing engines can't pull infinity-length consists while plowing snow off the tracks and dead engines can't pull anything whatsoever. They have unused coaches sitting around the yard because there isn't enough functioning power to pull them all. That's why the few trains that are running are stuffed like sardine cans. They're too hobbled to pull the coaches that are available for service. What would more coaches do to change the situation other than make snowed-in yards that much harder to move around?
  by Gerry6309
 
Also one has to consider that coaches sitting around for any length of time will eventually go bad-order. Without a HEP or other power source, they will accumulate mold, water tanks will freeze, and reliability will drop like a cinderblock in a goldfish bowl. Hopefully Keolis is keeping all active coaches in service.
  by boatbuilder
 
Thanks for the info. I didn't know they were junkers in that they looked better than some of the cars Amtrak runs this time of year. The three double decker's that were being "rewrapped" looked great.
  by CRail
 
Their condition isn't nearly as deplorable as some are touting. Gerry's point of idle equipment is quite valid, but these cars haven't been in storage that long. The fact is that they were retired from MBTA service although it certainly isn't unheard of for retired equipment to get pressed back into service. The one point of F-line's 3 above that holds any merit is the one about the motive power; The Commuter Rail isn't short on cars, they're short on engines. Pressing these back into service (which is quite feasible especially given that there are plans to use them second hand on another MassDOT service) would do nothing to avert the shortage the T is experiencing.
  by F-line to Dudley via Park
 
CRail wrote:Their condition isn't nearly as deplorable as some are touting. Gerry's point of idle equipment is quite valid, but these cars haven't been in storage that long. The fact is that they were retired from MBTA service although it certainly isn't unheard of for retired equipment to get pressed back into service. The one point of F-line's 3 above that holds any merit is the one about the motive power; The Commuter Rail isn't short on cars, they're short on engines. Pressing these back into service (which is quite feasible especially given that there are plans to use them second hand on another MassDOT service) would do nothing to avert the shortage the T is experiencing.
They'll have been sitting in Seaview for 5 years before MassDOT has a chance to transfer them to Western MA...assuming there is a budget for that, which there isn't because Patrick's transportation plan was underfunded by a third by the House. CDOT isn't even going to be running a full schedule's worth of Hartford Line service until 2020, so connecting service is going to be too uselessly sparse to mount a north-a-Springfield effort even if they did want to get it going fast. By the time NHHS is scaled-up enough into Springfield Union from the south that it'll even matter, the significantly better-condition and more economically-rebuildable Bombardiers (as well as a few hundred nearly identical Comets and Shoreliners from NJT and MNRR) will be available. Please stop repeating some Patrick flunkie's one free-associative moment to the press about that proposal re: how these cars are supposedly infinitely reusable. They are not even at the most deleriously optimistic projections for what year that service will commence...projections which are nowhere near as optimistic in 2015 as they were last year with a brand new budget deficit passed onto the new admin. and all that's hit the fan with transportation spending priorities this winter.


The only scenario in which those MBB's are ever going to roll in revenue service again is if a significant portion of the Rotem fleet has to be withdrawn because of more problems. Which is not altogether implausible, but is practically speaking a this-year concern because they get harder to prep for service with each passing month they're in the Seaview dead line with wheels locked and gradually collecting graffiti. Those things are razorblade fodder--no more, no less--once the Rotem warranty modification encampment leaves Seaview some point before the year 2036 and the risks to the new fleet's availability are declared as settled as they're ever gonna get.
  by DutchRailnut
 
either way cars like these can not be put just in service, most of time their inspections and truck overhauls have lapsed.
putting them back in service would require a truck overhaul , brake valve and brake actuator rebuild, toilet renewal including waste tank etc etc.
  by bmcdr
 
1006-1015-1017 have now been moved back inside at B.E.T. to have air tests done on them before being set for interchange, the word on these "screamers" now, is that they are to become property of Mass DOT, nobody seems to know where they are going or when they will be leaving.
  by GP40MC1118
 
The 1006 & 1017 were set out for BODO Thursday night. BODO grabbed them
overnight and the units now headed to Waterville.

The 1015 may have gone out on the Readville Switcher last night for the Middleboro area.

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  by ck4049
 
The 1015 is at SHSY and will go out on Keolis train #1009 to Middleboro tomorrow. From there it will be picked up by Mass Coastal and taken somewhere down on the Cape for rebuilding. If I were any of you I would definitely try to get pictures of this.
  by MetroBostonRailways
 
ck4049 wrote:The 1015 is at SHSY and will go out on Keolis train #1009 to Middleboro tomorrow. From there it will be picked up by Mass Coastal and taken somewhere down on the Cape for rebuilding. If I were any of you I would definitely try to get pictures of this.
Will it be on the Cape on sunday?
  by The ViRoCo
 
MetroBostonRailways wrote:
ck4049 wrote:The 1015 is at SHSY and will go out on Keolis train #1009 to Middleboro tomorrow. From there it will be picked up by Mass Coastal and taken somewhere down on the Cape for rebuilding. If I were any of you I would definitely try to get pictures of this.
Will it be on the Cape on sunday?
It depends if MC will pick it up tonight. Mass Coastal does not run on Sundays.
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