by Ron Newman
Cattle cars on the Green Line would be very before and after Red Sox games. Is it possible to modify a Type 7 or Type 8 in this way?
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Ron Newman wrote:Cattle cars on the Green Line would be very before and after Red Sox games. Is it possible to modify a Type 7 or Type 8 in this way?I'll bet it would void a warranty and I also think that you would never see them on surface routes due to the fact that they would be "out in the real world" with all the nuts driving autos. I have a sneaking suspicion that even if Ralph Nader himself came down with a magnifier and gave any cattle car his stamp of approval, that lawyers would have to take a deli-style number to get their lawsuits into court under the pre-text of "unsafe modification".
I'll bet it would void a warrantyIs there any warranty left to void on the Type 8s?
jamesinclair wrote:I don't see how standing on the red line is any less safe than this.I can. I'll take the cable car any day in the event of a collision. The footboard riders on the 9 mph cable cars have an escape path and they are not going to be crushed by a rolling wave of 250 people - two at the most. Due to Newton's laws of motion, all three laws are going to come into play here and in the cattle car, that wave is going to be substantially greater than 250 x 120 pounds (an approximate). It is going to be enough to potentially crush people, especially the young, old, and fragile, and physically eject persons through the window glass out onto the ROW. (As an aside, the cable car has distinctive properties of energy that are different than most vehicles as it is driven by a very secure cable which is powered by a very powerful motor. As long as the body and frame holds out, that little car more than likely is going to continue on if the grip is not loosened or released from the rope. Although potentially disastrous, this may actually lower a sudden change in velocity, which kills, in an collision.) Let's see. Cattle car or cable car...hmmm. Let me know when we get to the Buena Vista !
jamesinclair wrote:But that goes back to the former point, would the original red line cars, with seats, in sardine mode be any safer? Were they tested for crush load safety?You're asking the wrong person, James. I have absolutely no idea. I don't know how much plainer I can make that point.
jamesinclair wrote:I think it is a lot to ask. Why spend money on consultants and tests to figure out that yes, in the event of a 55mph collision people will die.That's a ridiculously immature statement and makes me wonder now if I am responding to a pre-teenager's angst over losing a prototype to HO model. The fact is that engineers make these tests so as to protect people. In a Red Line crash, it makes a huge difference whether 10 or 20 people die, (particularly if they happen to be family members). If evaluation shows that even one more person would be seriously injured or die in a collision as a result of the modifications done in a cattle car, the cars should be reinstated to their original configuration.
3rdrail wrote: That's a ridiculously immature statement and makes me wonder now if I am responding to a pre-teenager's angst over losing a prototype to HO model. The fact is that engineers make these tests so as to protect people. In a Red Line crash, it makes a huge difference whether 10 or 20 people die, (particularly if they happen to be family members). If evaluation shows that even one more person would be seriously injured or die in a collision as a result of the modifications done in a cattle car, the cars should be reinstated to their original configuration.That statement is ridiculous.