MarkB wrote:JCitron wrote:#5 - Dyre Ave wrote:I'm sorry to read about it. But not surprised. It really seemed like there was this feeling of inevitablity that the E line was going to be cut back to Heath Street Loop. But it made me wonder if Green Line service could have been restored to Arborway on a route other than South Huntington Ave, Centre and South Streets, and why that wasn't considered. Would it be feasible to run Green Line cars on the parallel Riverway, Jamaicaway and then on Arborway itself? It wouldn't be as direct as the S. Huntington/Centre/South route is, but could running on those wider roads at higher speeds and with fewer cross-streets have made up for it?
I too am saddened to here the inevitable news, but this is expected given the high number of NIMBYs that live in the area that would rather drive their cars than take a streetcar to the downtown. Some people will say the courts are fair, but I hate to say it, they are also very politically driven, and when there's a high local opposition to something, no matter how feasible or truly useful something is, they will go with the majority of the public sentiment. In this case, the NIMBYs pushed and yelled loudly. The fact is many of the newbies to the area have never ridden on, or even use public transit is part of the issue. They are usually the ones that complain the loudest about trains, subways and light rail, so there in the end, the route's reactivation was probably not going to happen anyway.
John
You couldn't be more wrong. It was a local group that was fighting for the streetcars, not local NIMBYs fighting against. The T management has been wanting to remove in-road streetcar lines since the 1940s. Buses are far more flexible, and allow traffic to move when streetcars would block the road. And bus routes can be changed overnight - streetcars can't. Their decision makes perfectly good sense. Streetcars are not magic carpets. The single read advantage is that they can go all the way in to downtown Boston. It would be nice if Jamaica Plain had a Comm. ave running through town - but it doesn't.
Mark,
I wouldn't doubt that the older locals would want the trolley, but the newbies in the area are surely there to fight it since they have no clue. Besides, it seems that when there's a fight like this, many NIMBYs from around the surrounding area gang up and push the agenda to get their way. Plaistow is going through this now with the new park & ride T station. Why is Atkinson involved in this? NIMBYs don't want the trains parking there due to noise, etc.
Yes buses are more flexible, but they hold fewer people. Even the extended buses hold fewer people than a two or three-car trolley train. The T management has been against the revitalization since they took the line out of service wth the Watertown line. In road tracks don't seem to be a problem elsewhere in the world where they still exist, except for the T.
Now that the line is dead, people will wish it was there some decades later, and we'll have to spend our tax money to reopen a convoluted route to JP just like they're building or planning now for Medford.
I'm not against progress, but I tend to find the T to be very shortsighted when it comes to infrastructure. Think Woburn Branch, Marblehead (before the T, but still). Alweife to Hanscom, Saugus branch, etc. I could go on. These maybe heavy rail/steam road, but still they could be repurposed for light rail.
John