LA&L, WNYP, B&H Diesel Status

#550 (in for repairs & paint, WNYP stenciled on sides with #428 in chalk nearby, a work in progress) C425

So one would say the 3 exGB&W units are no longer considered 427, 428, 429; and speculate that former PVRX 4264 should be "427" if repainted / numbered, as it was purchased before 550.

PVRX1,
I would venture to think that you are correct. IF the WNYP/LAL wants to keep with their numbering scheme, the numbering would have to change. 550 is a C425, meaning it SHOULD fall between 425, and 430( well TECHNICALLY 429) and thus the only available road numbers are 427,428, and 429. and since you mentioned 4264, I wonder what they will do if they renumber 4228 ( as I see it's now stenciled "WNYP", instead of "RRPX") just as always, until an "offical" report is handed down by one of our members "in the know", my opinion is pure speculation.
"kf7strng" Andrew Jack

kf7strng wrote:PVRX1,
I would venture to think that you are correct. IF the WNYP/LAL wants to keep with their numbering scheme, the numbering would have to change. 550 is a C425, meaning it SHOULD fall between 425, and 430( well TECHNICALLY 429) and thus the only available road numbers are 427,428, and 429. and since you mentioned 4264, I wonder what they will do if they renumber 4228 ( as I see it's now stenciled "WNYP", instead of "RRPX") just as always, until an "offical" report is handed down by one of our members "in the know", my opinion is pure speculation.
"kf7strng" Andrew Jack

#0424 ? #2424 . such a wonderful problem to have too many Alcos and not enough 3 digit numbers!

Greg:

Some notes for your update on the above topic. This info is "official" from an inside source.

The three C-424's at Lakeville: # 320, 321 and 319 HAD been assigned WNYP # 427, 428 and 429 (in that order) at one time, but that has changed. They no longer are assigned those 4xx series numbers.

Unit #320 will NOT be rebuilt and placed in service. Will continue to be an organ donor for other units.

#321 and #319 MAY be rebuilt at a much later date. If so, new numbers will be assigned at that time.

Unit #550 will be assigned WNYP #428.

Unit #4228 is OWNED by WNYP and will be renumbered WNYP 435. It is a 3000 HP unit after being upgraded by CP and the model is C-425u.
Unit #4223 is OWNED by WNYP and will be renumbered WNYP 434. It also is a 3000 HP unit after being upgraded by CP and the model is C-425u.
Unit #4264 will become WNYP #427.

The current management team has taken a more realistic look at the line's traffic levels and is proceeding as above.

SMT

Thanks Steve! I will get on to the updates this weekend to get the list corrected.

Greg

Thank you Mr.Timko! Thats what i was looking for, someone that could say with relative certainty

Steve,

I would suggest that 4223 and 4228 should be called C-424u rather than C-425u since they started life as C-424s. I have never seen any documentation that they were upgraded to 3000 hp. When did that happen? I know they were modified with air starters like C-430s have, but was not aware of a horsepower upgrade.

Sandy

The two C-424u's were modified at St. Luc with engines/alternators out of retired M630/636's. The original GT581 generators and the associated field shunting system had reached the end of their economic lifespan.

As to the date, I don't know.

SS

The two C-424u's were modified at St. Luc with engines/alternators out of retired M630/636's. The original GT581 generators and the associated field shunting system had reached the end of their economic lifespan.

As to the date, I don't know.

SS

LOCOMOTIVES for the LA&L Family Railroads

Switchers-

LA&L-
#72 S-2
B&H-
#4
#5
WNYP-
None

Road Switchers-

LA&L-
#20 RS-1
#418 RS-36
B&H-
None
WNYP-
None

4 Axle Road Locomotives-

LA&L-
#420 C420
#425 C425

B&H-
#422 C424m
#423 C423m
#424 C424m (LA&L on temporary assignment)

WNYP-
#421 C424
#426 C424
#4264 C425 (to be WNYP#427)
#430 C430
#431 C430
#432 C430
#4223 C425u (3000hp to be WNYP#434)
#4228 C425u (3000hp to be WNYP#435)



4 Axle Locomotives Not ready for Service-
(by shop location)

LA&L
#433 C430 (WNYP)
#550 C425 (to be WNYP #428)
#319 C424 (unassigned future)
#320 C424 (used as a parts donor, has no future)
#321 C424 (unassigned future)

6 Axle Locomotives-

WNYP-
#630 -C630 #43 -M636
#631 -C630 #6505 -SD45
#636 -M636 #6510 -SD45
#637 -M636 #6084 -SD40-2
#638 -M636 #6320 -SD40-2
#41 -M636 #7201 -SD40-2

6 Axle Locomotives not ready for service
(by location)

B&H-
#3660 - C636 (non restorable)
# 77 - C636 (non restorable)
#3674 - M636



I think I have this all together now, thanks for your help in keeping it up to date.

Greg

Previous listings above show #550 as being assigned 428. You show it as 427. Which is it? Has it changed offically?

Thanks for the information on the upgrades to the C-424s I was not aware of that they were upgraded to 3000 hp. Were other C-424s given the same treatment?

Regarding the former Seminole C-425, when I was there on July 30th "428" was written on the fireman's side of the cab. I saw no such indication on the engineer's side but battery doors were open so I could not see anything that might have been written on them.

Sandy

corrected! I caught it yesterday after I posted it on the railfan.net list, and fixed it there, but forgot to do it here.

Hi
I think the M-630/636s gave up their alternators to a number of C-424s in the early 90s when the "Bigs" were first being withdrawn from service. There are some external signs of this being done, as Sandy said, they received the air starts as that's how you start an alternator equipped Alco/MLW, so they have a third air tank under the walkway, 2 on one side and one on the other. They also have a "hump" on top of the central air intake area, more visible from the fireman's side, but I don't know what that was for. As to the addition of the 3000hp prime movers, I hadn't heard of that before. Not sure what the impact of the higher hp would be to the remainder of the electrical system, not to mention the cooling system. The more we hear, the more we still need to know.
Cheers
Steve
NZ

Thanks Steve for all that great LAL renumburing info!
very helpful..

While updating my NY Alcos page, I came across a minor error I had in there for many years..

I changed the model number of:
WNYP 630 - Alco C630m - ex A&M 70, nee CP 4500

to:
WNYP 630 - MLW C630m - ex A&M 70, nee CP 4500

Because WNYP 630 was Canadian built, not Schenectady..which would make her a MLW C630m, not an Alco C630m.

MLW did produce some Century series locomotives that were given a "C" designation,
as in C630, instead of a M designation, as in M630...
All Schenectady built locos were given a "C", but MLW-built locos could have a "C" or an "M" designation, depending on the year built..
Canadian Century-series locos were labeled "C", along with their American sisters, until the end of Schenectady production in 1969.
At that point, MLW production switched to the "M" designation.

Minor point, but in the interest of accuracy, it should be noted..(and lists updated if you know of any incorrect)

http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychaos/NY-Alcos/

thanks,
Scot