• Intermodal Scrap?

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Pertaining to all railroading subjects, past and present, in New Jersey

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  by rr503
 
Browsing flickr the other day, I came across this image
https://www.flickr.com/photos/153879774@N08/51819568940
Was wondering whether any on here could give more context on this operation. What drove the choice to use containers for scrap vs gons? Where do these shipments go?

Thanks in advance!
  by NotYou
 
This is pure armchair speculation, but I would guess a few possible reasons:
- car availability: Maybe containers were more readily available than gondolas. With the supply chain being all sorts of crazy these days it wouldn't surprise me.
- density: See they are double stacked. Maybe a well car with a double stack of two containers packed with scrap holds more than a single level gondola of scrap.
- intermodal: Maybe the scrap containers will be moved to trucks to haul the last mile; esp if the client(s) don't have direct rail access.
  by Bracdude181
 
I have seen intermodal containers be loaded with scrap to be shipped overseas on the internet.

I can only assume this is being done because the scrapyard where this metal is bound for doesn’t have a rail connection, or is not located in the mainland United States
  by eolesen
 
Lot of scrap metal exported to China historically. Not as many finished goods head that direction so this is better than moving empty containers.

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  by ccutler
 
They aren't loaded with scrap metal. They appear to be loaded with scrap wood and tires. The loads travel between Piscataway and a short line in North Carolina, presumably burned to generate "green" electricity. However, I really don't know for sure which way the loads are going. They could be drayed to the Port Newark for all I know, or shipped from NJ and burned for electricity in North Carolina.
  by R&DB
 
Or is it perhaps the rail line the cars will transit don't like gons (ie: NJT)?
  by GSC
 
Ex-NJT Fat Body? Unique shot, with that OOS section over the diamond.
  by JohnFromJersey
 
GSC wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:53 am Ex-NJT Fat Body? Unique shot, with that OOS section over the diamond.
Anyone have a location of the shot and a history of the OOS diamond?
  by eolesen
 
ccutler wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:09 am They aren't loaded with scrap metal. They appear to be loaded with scrap wood and tires. The loads travel between Piscataway and a short line in North Carolina, presumably burned to generate "green" electricity. However, I really don't know for sure which way the loads are going. They could be drayed to the Port Newark for all I know, or shipped from NJ and burned for electricity in North Carolina.
Sorry, when I see scrap I assume recyclable metal.

Wood and tires sounds more like trash...
  by Sir Ray
 
JohnFromJersey wrote: Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:51 pm Anyone have a location of the shot and a history of the OOS diamond?
i believe it is the diamond in this Google Aerial image a little north of Normandy Drive near the Kinkisharyo plant. The track crossing the siding serving Kinkisharyo continued west across Baekeland (as can be seen in the aerial view - that intersection is now paved over) and kept going west (crossing over Baekeland again as the road turned north) to what is now a Best Buy center (so no rail freight service there now). If you use the magic Google time-slice view you can see in the 2007 image (alas, in the trademark Google 'Potato Camera quality' of that period) a large industrial facility with several covered hoppers on a siding - so the crossing was taken out of service between 2007 and 2018.
  by steve coraggio
 
A very nice shot of the engine from Kinkisharyo. An old set of track diagrams would be helpful to see where these tracks went at one time, when the Reading operated this line.
The cut off diamond as mentioned by GSC here. I have been in this area once or twice some old track still around. Also catching something Kinkisharyo is good too.