• Double ender #101 wrapped for Media trolley centennial

  • Discussion relating to Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (Philadelphia Metro Area). Official web site can be found here: www.septa.com. Also including discussion related to the PATCO Speedline rapid transit operated by Delaware River Port Authority. Official web site can be found here: http://www.ridepatco.org/.
Discussion relating to Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (Philadelphia Metro Area). Official web site can be found here: www.septa.com. Also including discussion related to the PATCO Speedline rapid transit operated by Delaware River Port Authority. Official web site can be found here: http://www.ridepatco.org/.

Moderator: AlexC

  by AlexC
 
More like that, please.
  by R36 Combine Coach
 
It does greatly resemble the Pacific Electric livery of deep red with golden trim.
  by Matthew Mitchell
 
Saw it arriving in Media last night as we were heading back to the train from the fare and budget hearing.

Could you imagine the SEPTA of five-ten years ago doing anything like this?
  by Tadman
 
That's interesting. The comment about it looking like PEry is spot on - was there historical precedent for SEPTA predecessors painting cars in bright red, or is it a bit of creative license?
  by JeffK
 
Tadman wrote:... was there historical precedent for SEPTA predecessors painting cars in bright red, or is it a bit of creative license?
Lots of precedent. Early Phila & West Chester cars were red: PST car in early livery, Electric City Museum, Scranton

Red Arrow switched to a darker red/maroon, similar to PRR Tuscan red: Brill #78 wearing a full coat of dark maroon

The final pre-SEPTA paint scheme was two-toned: Double-ended PCC #14 in maroon and cream

I remember that combo was popular in the 50s - Mercury offered a sedan in almost the same colors. When they started to appear on the used-car market the running joke was that the newspaper ads' abbreviation "two-tn rd & crm" really meant "two tons of rusted and corroded metal"
  by Patrick Boylan
 
When I volunteered for the Buckingham Valley Trolley Association I remember someone mentioned that they got "Red Arrow Red" from a major paint store's custom catalog, and some folks still complained the color was wrong.
Apparently catalog specifications faded faster than those folks' memories ;)

Seriously though, it's also possible the fresh paint the store mixed up based on the catalog could also look a little different than what had been on the cars after a few years service.
  by JeffK
 
chuchubob wrote:some photos from Sunday's Friends of Phiadelphia Trolleys charter
Really nice pix, Bob!

I agree with Matt. SEPTA's still got a long way to go but 10 or 15 years ago I couldn't imagine them doing anything to respect their history.
  by Patrick Boylan
 
Jeffk, I think your imagination's a bit limited
http://www.phillytrolley.org/tracks3.html
PCC 2799 turns onto Bainbridge Street from 12th St. in December 1996
Red arrow colors
http://www.phillytrolley.org/IMAGES/PCS2799.JPG
In the 1990's, PCC 2728 was repainted in the 1938-40 silver and blue livery that had been originally applied to Philadelphia's first prewar PCCs. Here it is seen turning from Noble Street to 12th during the December 1996 revival of the Center City Welcome Line, aka the Holiday Trolley.
http://www.phillytrolley.org/IMAGES/PCC2728.JPG

and the page shows 2 other SEPTA PCC's painted in predecessor PTC colors
  by walt
 
Tadman wrote:That's interesting. The comment about it looking like PEry is spot on - was there historical precedent for SEPTA predecessors painting cars in bright red, or is it a bit of creative license?
To amplify a bit the prior answers: That shade of Red was the standard color for the Red Arrow Lines predecessor Philadelphia & West Chester Traction Company's rail cars throughout most of its history, especially for the Center Door Cars. Also it was applied to the 1932 80 series Brill Lightweight cars when they were origianlly delivered from Brill. Even after the P&WCT became the Philadelphia Suburban Transportation Co. ( Red Arrow Lines) that color was originally applied to the Brilliners but with a silver stripe running the length of the car at the belt rail, and dipping into a "V" on each end underneath the windshield. The P&W also applied it originally to its 60 ( later 160) series Strafford Cars and to the Bullet Cars.
  by Quinn
 
I haven't been able to spot #101 yet, but today I passed #125 (I think) while it was street running. It's got a full wrap, mostly blue, for RCN. It does turn your head. A blue K-Car really seems odd to see.