DL&W Observation Cars

Is there any where I could find drawings (they don't need to be highly detailed) drawings of the observation cars the DL&W operated (heavyweights and streamlined)?? Someplace out there there has to be something!!! I've spent the last few afternoons doing internet searches, but have come up empty. Any books, old technical drawings, line drawings anything will help!!! I would like them for an upcoming modeling project i have planned. THANKS!!

SEE Tabers' DL&W 20th Century Vol 2. Check EL Society publications from year one. Anthracite Rys. Society publications, too. Model railroad publications archive indices are must sees.

I could probably sketch them from memory for the many, many hours I spent in them, but I know I'd not have the right measurements.

Spent another afternoon searching and still nothing!! I would have figured that since observation cars were the second most popular item to be photographed on a passenger train (the first would be the loco), there would be more references out there someplace.

Where there any types of equiptment diagram books ever published?? Seems that alot of roads had them at one time or another....just another idea I came up with but have not been able to find anything yet.

We told you the books to look at. Check your library, your railfan friends, hobby shops or rail museums.

in looking at photos of these cars, what is going on with the beat up look of the rear door ? They are all pock marked and dinged up in many photos

You can go to Grand Central and find the two Phoebe Snow tavern lounges that were retained by Metro-North for their inspection train.

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Here is a LIRR Parlor Cars website that has various photos of the DL&W Phoebe Snow tavern lounge observation cars during their service as parlor cars on LIRR, plus a few photos of them later serving as Metro North commuter bar cars and track inspection cars.

LIRR 2081 AQUEBOGUE (former DL&W 789)
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/ ... bogue.html

LIRR 2082 ASHAROKEN (former DL&W 790)
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/ ... roken.html

Thanks Jack !

Great to still see original Phoebe Snow Tavern-Lounge cars in 2007 !

Someday, as opposed to Grand Central Station, we'll hopefully see one or both parked up against the bumper on track #8 in the restored Hoboken Terminal.

Dang, we came this close to that happening at the last Hoboken Festival in 2001....

And low and behold MN is running an inspection train out of Hoboken this morning and BOTH T-L coaches are on home rails again !!

Found this posted by "phasegap" (THANKS PG!)




Pretty neet seeing these after all these years... wish I could have seen them - then or now

Tri-State Tom wrote:Someday, as opposed to Grand Central Station, we'll hopefully see one or both parked up against the bumper on track #8 in the restored Hoboken Terminal.

LOL - If you get the Phoebe Snow cars into Grand Central Station, the IRT Subway will want to have a word with you!

By the way... word is that Metro-North will be retiring their Phoebe Snow cars soon. Now would be the time for interested parties to begin negotiations for preservation.

http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=46775

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