• D&O-era Central New York (CNYK) Richfield Branch

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Pertaining to all railroading subjects, past and present, in New York State.

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  by brockwaythemusician
 
I am doing some fact checking for the model railroad I'm in the process of buliding. I've collected a bit of information on here, the net and in books and want to make sure I've got everything in order before I get too far in, then have to make massive changes:

The era I'm modeling is 1980-1990 so "older" information is ommited.

1.) The Delaware and Otsego took control of this line in 1973 and actively intercanged with Conrail at Richfield Junction until NYSW took over the "Utica Branch". At that point NYSW did most fo the work out of Utica although CNYK still had an engine house for a RS-3 at Richfield Springs.

2.) After Richfield Junction, the first business on the line was Barrett Stone which was loaded. My research (in the form of a YouTube Video) shows me that this loading was done right one the main line.

3.) The next stop after a few miles of trees and fields was West Winfield and served several businesses including:

-Brown Feed, Agway,Smith Co-op, Beacon Feed, Schoonmaker Feed, all of which I assume were served with covered hoppers.

- Two unkonwn business that recieved coal and fuel oil. Were these the same business or seperate business?

I have found a few pictures of W. Winfield that show a siding to the north of the main serving agricultural businesses and one to the south of the main which used boxcars. None of the businesses I found would have used boxcars unless the D&O was still shipping grain in boxcars. Also these two sidings don't seem to be enough to serve all the industries I found for the town.

4.) Shortly to the east of W. Winfield was E. Winfield were 4 Guys Lumber recieved lumber. I have found several photos of D&O Thrall All Door Cars. Were these used to serve this industry?

5.) After another few miles of trees and farms the next town served by the railroad was S.Columbia where frm equiptment was recieved by an unknown business and liquid fertilizer was delivered to Key Fertilizer. It is unclear how, where or what kind of farm equiptment was delivered. Depending on the equiptment it could be delivierd on a flat car or in a box car...

6.) The end of the line was Richfield Springs, the terminus of the railroad. Along with an engine house for the CNYK RS-3, four buisnesses, IL Richer Feed (covered hoppers), Husky Enterprises Coal (hoppers), Suburban Porpare (tank cars), and SureCatch (which I assume is the fishing gear company)(boxcars???) were served by the railroad. Other than the engine house, I have not been able to find any pictures of the track layout or businesses in Richfield Springs and arial photos don't show much with the tracks 20 years removed.


If anyone sees a correction in my research or has anything to add, or knows where I can get more information please reply. I plan on making the trip down (a whole 15 mins for me) and finding out more on my own, but right now I'm too busy and its too cold.

Thanks for the help.
  by Noel Weaver
 
I would suggest check out libraries at either Richfield Springs or Cooperstown, maybe they can help you. This line was early in the Delaware Otsego scheme; first one was the two miles of former New York Central in Oneonta and the second was the Delaware and Hudson Cooperstown Branch. I don't know whether I have any employee timetables from the Delaware Otsego period that show this line or not. The line lasted for some period longer between Richfield Junction and West Winfield than it did between West Winfield and Richfield Springs.
Noel Weaver
  by U.V.#200 GE70 Tonner
 
I will share with you what I can remember.The bridge where Barretts unloaded stone,was originally a farmers bridge to get from one side of the farm to other.The D&O rebuilt this for the stone operation I believe in late 1982-early 1983. In Bridgewater there was siding next to the feedstore built with an incline,this is where the D&O would unload their track equipment from flatbed truck or trailer.Not sure which.They did this up until they bought the Utica Branch.The feedstore burned in the Fall of 1983. Next is West Winfield ,Agway,Browns and Schoonmaker were very busy in the early 80s.Schoonmaker burned in 1982/83 if I recall correctly.The only cars I ever took pictures of here were covered hoppers.The coal tipple was still there but never used by this time,as far as fuel oil I never saw any of this going on. East Winfield was Four Guys Wholesale Lumber.The only cars I saw here,were center I-beam.These were unloaded right on the main line. Not sure what was still going to Richfield Springs at this time. The only locomotives I ever witnessed on this line were C-420s and 430s.I also rode an excursion train once from Utica to Richfield Springs on July 9,1983.C-430 #3002 was the power for the day,with four cars in tow.Power was turned on the wye in Richfield Springs for the retun trip to Utica.We also had two photo runbys,one at Lovers Lane crossing in Bridgewater and I believe the next one was at McKoon crossing in Columbia.Hope this was some info you can use.
  by scharnhorst
 
all door boxcars are used to ship lumber and paper products. the D&O owned a small number of All Door boxcars most of them had Fonda, Johnstown & Gloverville - (FJG) as well as other reporting marks from the D&O's other sisters railroads. You could also use Bulk Head flats to ship lumber as well.

here are pics of the RS-3's 100, 102 and 103
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-f/fjg100m.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-f/fjg100am.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-f/fjg100aca.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-l/lasb102abn.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-d/deos103as.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-f/fjg103m.jpg

A few D&O Boxcars
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-f/fjg126336agd.jpg

all door boxcars Thrall cars:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-f/fjg40008akg.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-f/fjg40003akg.jpg
All Door boxcars different builder
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-f/fjg29020akg.jpg

snow plow
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-f/fjg-k202eza.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-f/fjg-p202m.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-f/fjg29015akg.jpg
  by Noel Weaver
 
The all door box cars originally came to the Cooperstown and Charlotte Valley to ship lumber to Portlandville. They were lettered for the CACV at that time. I have a newsletter from the railroad when those cars first came, don't remember the date.
Noel Weaver
  by Cactus Jack
 
My greater expertise is EL and DL&W days but I did chase the branch and rode it numerous times in the 1980 - 1985 period under DO operations, later NYSW.

El sold it and DO started operations interchanging with EL in December 1973. CNY 101 was run light north from Binghamton on a Saturday meeting EL 1271 at Sherburne. EL engineer Gene Trzepacz was engineer with Walter Rich as a passenger. RS-3 #101 in solid blue, ex D&H.

In about 1974 101 had severe engine damage and was replaced with an FJ&G switcher.... I don't have the # of it off hand but have photos in my collection taken by Sam Reeder of Munnsville, NY

The Barretts Bridge load out was a farm overpass until about 1983 when the load out was put in

Bridgewater, I remember feed hoppers here on the spur with the ramp. Not sure if spotted for unload or constructively placed as hold cars for West Winfield for some reason.

West Winfield. - As mentioned by other posters but I remember BCK box cars and CNW yellow-ish hoppers and ATSF "box car" red or red clay colored hoppers, also hoppers on the Agway track and think they were silver/gray color and maybe CN.

Four Guys came late towards the end and pretty sure after 1986 when Richfield Springs end was shut down (July).

I remember stored private owner box cars isolated at South Columbia - mainline was just swing over to connect with the side track as the turnout was gone by then. They were blue with an arrow emblem but don't recall the reporting marks .. perhaps the shortline at Ogdensburg, NY ?

Big customer was Surburban propane at Richfields Springs. CNY trains usually had one or two propane cars.

Feed came into Richfield Springs but cannot recall car type - Schimmels Feed

I can probably help you more after the holidays with more specific information but I am isolated on a job site at this time and do not have access to my resources.

Once in a while NYSW (after Spring 1982) would move passenger cars to Richfield Springs for work. A motley looking train with covered hoppers, bag feed box cars, propane cars and a stray passenger car pulled by an RS-3 or later could be a C420, B&M GP-9, ex ATSF CF-7, or NYSW RS-1. Oh and the C430's too.

Outbound soybeans were shipped heavily 1974-76 era too, out of West Winfield
  by brockwaythemusician
 
Thanks for all the infor and help so far. When I wasn't sick or busy I looked over some of the info I didn't have already and it brought up some new questions. Let me compile them into one post so I don't have a bunch of little questions getting lost amongst the answers.
  by scharnhorst
 
Cactus Jack wrote:In about 1974 101 had severe engine damage and was replaced with an FJ&G switcher.... I don't have the # of it off hand but have photos in my collection taken by Sam Reeder of Munnsville, NY
The FJ&G (Fonda, Johnstown & Gloverville) Switcher was an ALCO S2 # 20
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-f/fjg20am.jpg
  by UC&SV Route
 
Hi Everyone,

We own the Richfield Springs Branch today. We are looking at starting up a tourist railroad on the line with narrow gauge equipment that we have stored in South Columbia. We have 20 tons of rail coming in shortly and would like to get going on building this spring. Please send along an email if you are interested in participating with the building of our railroad. We need people who interested in all aspects of starting this new venture. Expertise in marketing, operating and financing such a venture will be greatly appreciated. Send us and email at [email protected] and do have a look at our website for more information on the Branch.

http://www.ucsvroute.com

Thanks,

Ben
  by N_DL640A
 
I recall center beam lumber cars at 4 Guys Lumber, yellow TTX type.
The one time I actually saw a train on the branch (in 1989) it was powered by a GP18, not sure of the number.
Barretts stone loading used NYSW owned mainly ex B&LE hoppers with roller bearing conversion trucks. I recall both SD45s and C430s as power in the late '80s and early '90s. This was a captive service train, and ran to the Barretts plant in Binghamton.
Not to be "picky" but there is no "and" in the name Delaware Otsego, hence the nick name "The DO Line".
  by ginosrailpage
 
scharnhorst wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:In about 1974 101 had severe engine damage and was replaced with an FJ&G switcher.... I don't have the # of it off hand but have photos in my collection taken by Sam Reeder of Munnsville, NY
The FJ&G (Fonda, Johnstown & Gloverville) Switcher was an ALCO S2 # 20
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-f/fjg20am.jpg
The ole sugar in the fuel tank trick for CNYK 101. I have a couple photos of FJ&G 20 working the CNYK in April of 1974.

Here's the link...

http://ginosrailpage.com/DOS/cnyk.html

Gino
  by Cactus Jack
 
While the poster is interested in the 1980-1990 time frame, I found some interesting data from the EL days, which would have been appropriate for the earlier CNY operation. As time went on, the covered hoppers began replacing box cars traffic and the coal traffic dried up.

Here is a random look at 1971-72 period:

Date Car Number Type Origin Destination Customer Commodity
8/24/1971 SCL 628631 B Muscatine Iowa West Winfield NY Schoonmaker Di-Calcium Phosphate
8/25/1971 CNW 1167 B Milwaukee West Winfield NY Schoonmaker Hominy
8/25/1971 SFTX 955 T Sarnia, ON Richfield Springs Suburban Propane
8/26/1971 EL 56395 B Buffalo, NY West Winfield NY Schoonmaker Wheat Bran
8/27/1971 ERIE 21585 CH Buffalo, NY West Winfield NY Agway Bulk Feed
8/27/1971 MON 10173 B Indianapolis Richfield Springs IL Richer Feed
8/30/1971 CN 476907 B London ON West Winfield NY Watkins Hominy
8/30/1971 PRR 260050 CH Indianapolis West Winfield NY Schoonmaker Gluten Feed
8/30/1971 PC 138130 B Buffalo, NY West Winfield NY Schoonmaker Midds
8/30/1971 CNW 8149 B Milwaukee West Winfield NY Schoonmaker Hominy
8/30/1971 CNW 77666 B Milwaukee Richfield Springs IL Richer Hominy
8/30/1971 DTI 14155 B Toledo Richfield Springs IL Richer Bran
8/30/1971 GATX 96547 T Westville, NJ Richfield Springs Suburban LPG
9/2/1971 MSTL 5170 B Milwaukee West Winfield NY Schoonmaker Hominy
9/2/1971 EL 70536 B Pittsburg West Winfield NY Watkins Brewers Grain
9/3/1971 LN 9253 B Frankfort KY West Winfield NY Schoonmaker Distillers Grains
9/3/1971 MONON 959 B Frankfort KY West Winfield NY Watkins Distillers Grains
9/7/1971 GGCX 1051 T Sarnia, ON Richfield Springs Suburban LPG
9/8/1971 PRR 258282 CH Indianapolis West Winfield NY Watkins Gluten Feed
9/8/1971 NH 35280 B Lime Crest NJ Richfield Springs IL Richer Limestone
9/9/1971 NYC 42656 B Paris, IL West Winfield NY Agway Hominy
9/15/1971 BCK 1491 B Buffalo, NY West Winfield NY Agway Feed
9/20/1971 ACFX 17293 T Sarnia, ON Richfield Springs Suburban Gas
9/20/1971 ACFX 17157 T Sarnia, ON Richfield Springs Suburban Gas
9/20/1971 SOU 88287 H Packerton, PA South Columbia Shimel Nut Coal
9/22/1971 RDG 64839 H Packerton, PA South Columbia Shimel Stove Coal
11/14/1972 WAB 33044 CH Danville, IL West Winfield NY Schoonmaker Soybean Oil Meal