Wrecked LRVs

Does anyone know how many wrecked LRVs MBTA has cause I was wondering if I could buy one off of them for something really good

There are five incomplete Type 8 shells at Orient Heights. These would been 3895-3899, but the order
was cut back to 95 cars plus five spare shells.

R36 Combine Coach wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:10 pm There are five incomplete Type 8 shells at Orient Heights. These would been 3895-3899, but the order
was cut back to 95 cars plus five spare shells.

Do they have any bogies or any incomplete type 7s or wrecked one?

Only authorized and, more importantly, adequately insured companies are allowed on the property to get rid of large old equipment. And the company has to have or engage reliable and safe means of removing and transporting the pieces (or the whole thing).

When the T offers the old cars to the highest bidder, they know who has a track record of expeditious scrapping and removal (or preservation) or they expect a newbie bidder to provide evidence (perhaps including business references) that it , too, can do the job safely.

Let's say I'm someone who wants to preserve or scrap an LRV that they don't want, will they allow me to take it off the property if I have all of the things needed for it? But for me I wanted Type 7 bogies just 2 or 4

I would think any extra Type 7 trucks would be spares for the existing fleet, not surplus ready to sell.

Also, I'll bite - whatever would you want them for?

Let me guess. a youtube series "I bought a subway car and rebuilt it!!!" With wacky face and arms spread wide on the thumbnail image

they're not worthless, especially with copper prices the way they are. you'd likely have to pay at least several thousand dollars, and that's before transport - which itself is pretty expensive

jwhite07 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:21 am I would think any extra Type 7 trucks would be spares for the existing fleet, not surplus ready to sell.

Also, I'll bite - whatever would you want them for?

It was a plan that I was thinking of doing where I take SEPTA LRV 9000 to California for a tour around the light rail places and muni lines and since the bogies look the same I want to try to put a Type 7 truck on it and get extras in case of any sort thing that I need to do

rethcir wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 1:21 pm Let me guess. a youtube series "I bought a subway car and rebuilt it!!!" With wacky face and arms spread wide on the thumbnail image

I probably might make a video on that well a different title since it's gonna be with a LRV

Tell me the location of that tree you kicked over and found a bag of gold underneath to fund this.

Assuming you do have the resources to do what you've suggested, it looks like the Kawasaki LRVs and the Type 7s will be getting retired around the same time.

May have been the case in the way past when streetcars were steel, wood, and maybe 500 total feet of simple copper wiring and nary a computer in sight, but I'm gonna guess it's not plug-and-play swapping out a Kawasaki LRV truck with one from a Kinkisharyo Type 7. Kingpin design, wheelbase, wheel size and tread contour, propulsion control system, you name it, all of it is going to be different. If you theoretically have the funds to buy a Philly Kawi and theoretically have the funds to truck it all the way across the country and operate it in SF or anywhere else that is standard gauge, and assuming they'd let you bring it onto their property and run it without millions of dollars of liability insurance, just regauge the existing trucks under the car. That's far more feasible and cheaper than reengineering the entire running gear and control systems to accept a completely different truck.

Hint - throw the vast amount of money you think you have at museums and societies which have done stuff like this - like the Market Street Railway in SF or Seashore in Maine or someone else, and let them do it... if they're interested in taking it on or would even want to.

Your big dreams are fine and all - I had them when I was young too - and I am not trying to be unkind. I'm just trying to inject some reality here.

I'd rather someone give Seashore $10 million or whatever it will cost to rehab the Northampton headhouse.

To Silverliner 5:

I suggest you read this info from ATS (a major freight broker) regarding heavy hauling.

If you are serious in this scheme regarding SEPTA 9000, the costs vary based on several factors. But as mentioned,
the general ballpark baseline is freight weighing up to 100,000 lb is that $1 x number of axles x miles = price.

For a 58,000 lb 50 foot Kawasaki car, you're talking a seven axle load, and Philadelphia-SF is a tad around 3,000 miles (2,876 according to AAA). So $1.00 x 7 x 3000 is $21,000, the ballpark bare minimum. Of course you'll need to
know state laws for oversize loads for each state along the journey, whether or not state or local regulations
require escorts and factor in oversize fees for each state, plus tolls (along with understanding regulations
along toll roads such as PA and Ohio Turnpikes). Most of the ride from Philadelphia to Chicago (I-76 to 80)
will be on toll routes, and the 7-axle oversize load rate will not be cheap.

In addition to the bare minimum tariff rate, loading and unloading would also cost extra.

It requires specialized work to exchange trucks, especially swapping trucks onto a different car not originally
built with them. Electrical work requires compatibility so the car can run on a different system.

Recall when SF-Muni purchased the surplus SEPTA PCC fleet in the early 90s, there were refurbished
professionally by Morrison Knudsen (a locomotive rebuilder and builder/rebuilder of passenger cars).
Muni now has major overhaul done at Brookville.

So this is not weekend warrior work or a simple in your garage "Mickey Mouse job". You would need to
consider professionals in refurbishment.

I could suggest Electric City at Steamtown in Scranton, as they might have interest in 9000 with its historical
value. They are the the successor to BVTA (running the Penn's Landing trolley from 1982-95).