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  by Nester
njt/mnrrbuff wrote:Not really sure if the trolley meets every train at Harriman.
It doesn't. It meets one inbound train in the morning and one outbound train in the evening. Unless you work at the outlets it really isn't practical.

  by mncommuter
Quote from the MTA web page linked above:

The Main Line Trolley makes only one morning pick-up from Harriman Station at 10:30 AM, arriving Woodbury Common at 10:40 AM; and only one evening departure from Woodbury Common at 5:50 PM, arriving Harriman Station at 6:10 PM.

That would be a long day of shopping if you had to depend on the trolley!

  by ajt
Shortline / Coach USA shows 7 daily NYC departures to Woodbury Commons for shoppers, with roughly hourly service starting at 715am.

City dwellers without cars can and do get to Woodbury Commons 7 days a week, without any hassles of changing trains and connecting to bus trolleys...
  by Max Power
https://www.lohud.com/story/news/transi ... 367871002/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Gov. Andrew Cuomo wants you to be able to take the train to Woodbury Common.

At a speech at Marist College Thursday, the governor touted initiatives in his 2019 budget for the mid-Hudson Valley. One of those was an addendum on his already-announced traffic upgrades around the 250-plus store shopping complex in Central Valley: A Metro-North station.

"Whenever my daughters ask me to take them there, I come up with any excuse not to have to sit through that traffic," Cuomo said. "We are putting a Metro-North station at Woodbury Common. That way, you don't have to drive, you can take the train."

Port Jervis Line tracks are already nearby, running between the complex and the Thruway. A Metro-North station there would sit between the Harriman and Salisbury Mills-Cornwall stations.

The railroad said it was "pursing a review of the potential" for a public-private partnership to make the station happen.

Cuomo said 13 million people a year make the trip to Woodbury Common. Without a rail option, all the traffic snarls Orange County roads.

In December, he announced $150 million in traffic upgrades, including redesigning roads and traffic patterns plus cashless tolling at the nearby Harriman toll plaza, to keep everything moving more smoothly.

A train station would add another option for shoppers. The Port Jervis line terminates at Hoboken Terminal in New Jersey and stops at Secaucus Junction, allowing access from the city via PATH trains or NJ Transit.

Port Jervis trains make stops in Suffern and Sloatsburg.
  by SecaucusJunction
This was a no-brainer and should have been done years ago. Just needs better off peak service to give more flexibility to people going there.
  by R36 Combine Coach
Would ShortLine object to the new station? Already, ShortLine has one-seat rides to Midtown, with express schedules, so likely faster than MNCR.
  by SouthernRailway
How much did Simon Properties (owner of Woodbury Common) contribute to Cuomo's campaign?

This should be determined and disclosed as part of this process.
  by njtmnrrbuff
Let’s hope that this new station gets built. It’s not just for the sake of the outlet but the location is extremely close to several highways: 87, 17, and 6.
  by Backshophoss
This will turn into a "Park and Ride" type station,hopefully with a shuttle bus to the Mall.
  by GojiMet86
SouthernRailway wrote:How much did Simon Properties (owner of Woodbury Common) contribute to Cuomo's campaign?

This should be determined and disclosed as part of this process.

https://www.politico.com/states/new-yor ... ors-108932" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cuomo attracts a new batch of big donors
By BILL MAHONEY 01/23/2017 05:41 AM EST

ALBANY — Most of the donors who helped Gov. Andrew Cuomo raise $4.4 millionover the past six months were familiar ones. Contributors like Brookfield Financial ($100,000 this filing period), Howard Milstein (who, with his family, gave $50,000) and Genting ($50,000) have all regularly appeared in the governor’s campaign finance reports in the past. But there were 20 donors who hadn’t previously given to Cuomo since he took office as governor in 2011 and gave $25,000 or more from mid-July through mid-January. Here’s a look at some of his newest contributors.
DAVID SIMON ($25,000)
Simon is the CEO of Indianapolis real estate investment trust Simon Property Group, whose holdings include the Woodbury Commons outlet mall.
Nothing going on here, folks. Just your usual backdealings...
  by RRspatch
Neat, the station should open just in time for the retail apocalypse to kill off the remaining malls -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retail_apocalypse" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well at least the huge parking lots can be used for commuter parking.
  by njtmnrrbuff
Yes, the concept of shopping malls in general are over, but it depends on the merchandise. I believe that for clothing stores, there will be many items that you might want to try on in the stores before buying anything. I am not sure if Woodbury Commons will be going away anytime soon since that is an outlet mall. As for the new station opening up commuter parking ideas-absolutely. There should be a lot of room to add parking spots, especially with the strong possibility of adding double track on the PJL as far as Moodna Viaduct which would lead to increased train service either east of Middletown or Salisbury Mills-Cornwall.

In terms of comparing the travel times on Shortline to NJT, the bus is a little faster in little or no traffic. Coach USA carded 60 minutes for multiple runs and if you take the train to Harriman Station from NYC(X-fer of course), your trip takes, on average, an hour and a quarter, so not a bad difference. If the new station gets built, it will probably take you an hour and seventeen minutes to get to Woodbury Commons by train from the city. Many Coach USA buses to Woodbury Commons from the city take an hour and ten minutes.
  by SecaucusJunction
Woodbury Commons is known worldwide. People visiting from the Far East will go there. A train station would be useful. Why stop there though? There are plenty of other destinations around the line that could be marketed to city dwellers. The Mayor of Port Jervis was just speaking about hiking and a new water park in that region. A new casino just opened in Monticello. Why not team up with MTA and have a hotel shuttle to Middletown? How about a shuttle/tram from Salisbury Mills to Stewart Airport. The line needs to not just be useful as a commuter only route.
  by njtmnrrbuff
That would be nice for the casino to have shuttle buses running from Middletown Station. It all depends on the demand. Short Line runs a lot of buses to Monticello, I believe. Yes, I heard about the plan to build a water park in the Pt. Jervis area as well as more hiking options.

The PJL's target customers seem to be primarily commuters. That's not always a bad thing but what I don't like is how many of the current route's stations are in no mans land-good for commuters. Before passenger trains used the Graham Line, they stopped in downtown areas-i.e. Middletown(I mean actually in the downtown area). I don't know too much about Stewart to speak about shuttle service from Salisbury Mills but it is a good idea. I believe that there is a bus that runs during weekdays from Stewart Airport across the river to Beacon. It's possible that there are many people who live in and around Newburgh who would use the Hudson Line, instead of the PJL.
  by TDowling
I doubt this will happen until the roads are reconfigured. Though it is great that cuomo wants this, the local community might again object as they did before.