BandA wrote:A buyer's cooperative for engines and rolling stock would be a start. Works great for police departments ordering police cars. Instead of, say, the MBTA custom-ordering 40 engines once every 25+ years, get 20 different agencies order 2-3 or so each of exactly the same locomotive every year for the next 4 years.
Well, the MBTA isn't a good comparison here. Commuter rail equipment (non-EMU/DMU) is about as vanilla off-shelf as it gets.
What are the most widely-used commuter rail engines with multiple-agency orders?
#1. EMD F40PH's (later-generation -2C's, PHM-2C's, and -3C's...original-generation ones nearly gone). Still far and away the leader, with multiple ongoing rebuild programs to the latest "3C" spec. Operators: Metra, NJT/MNRR west-of-Hudson, MBTA, Caltrain, Tri-Rail, Coaster, ACE
#2. MPI MPXpress (MP36PH/MP40PH, and Sunrail's new MP32PH-Q's which are full-blown MP36 engine/traction/cab inhabiting the hollowed-out carbody of an ex- GP40-2W). Operators: GO Transit, MARC, Metra, Metrolink, VRE, Sounder. UTA FrontRunner, SunRail, Rail Runner Express, Northstar, Music City Star.
#3. EMD F59PH/F59PHI's. Operators: GO Transit, Metrolink, AMT, Caltrain, Sounder, West Coast Express, TRE, Coaster.
#4. GP40-2 family (GP40PH-2, GP40PH-2B, GP40FH-2, GP40-2H, GP40MC, GP39H-2). Operators: NJT, MBTA, MARC, CDOT/Shore Line East.
#5. GE Genesis (P40DC and P32AC-DM dual-mode). Operators: MNRR, CDOT/Shore Line East, NJT.
#6. Bombardier ALP-45DP dual-mode. Operators: NJT and AMT.
#7. AEM-7DC electric. Operators: MARC and SEPTA.
GP40's are rapidly dwindling in number and generally not a purchase option. AEM-7's are on their last legs. Everything else is rebuildable ad infinitum whether it's still in-production or out-of-production, and commuter rail power is going to be flooded with rebuild-grade Genesis units displaced by Amtrak's new orders and various agencies secondhand F59's for another dozen years at least. So this list is going to be rock-stable save for the Geeps and Toasters.
The only push-pull outliers are NJT's Bombardier ALP-46/46A electrics (55 units), MBTA's MPI HSP-46's (40 units), Metrolink's EMD F125's on-order (20 units), LIRR's craptacular EMD DE30AC's (24 units) and DM30AC dual-modes (21 units) up for retirement in 5 years, Metro North's Brookville BL20GH oddities (12 units), Tri-Rail's controversial new Brookville BL36PH's (12 units), Tri-Rail's converted ex-freight GP49-3's (6 units), and final surviving ABB ALP-44 on SEPTA. The Brookvilles are never going to be much more than a niche product because they're a small manufacturer; ALP's are proven-quality but there are few buyers at the moment with a specific need for electric push-pull who don't have an outright dependency on Amtrak (and what Amtrak's using) for maintenance. EMD designed the F125 was made for Amtrak's next-gen order...and lost that contract, so that may (whether it's good or not) not be a market EMD wants to chase that hard for future orders. HSP-46...MPI took a bath on trying to build to that daunting new design, and there are rumors they're just going to say "no mas" and retreat to the MPXpress lineup, gut-and-rebuilds, and borrowing some of the more applicable tech from the HSP's for their other products.
The way the aftermarket is shaping up, especially if Amtrak displaces its P42DC's, probably means remanufactures (not overhauls, but "like-new" everything) are going to be a majority of the sales. There doesn't necessarily have to be all that many "new" makes. This is where the HSP-46 design isn't totally useless. GE has aims on packaging its passenger-rated GEVO engine inside the HSP as a Tier IV-compliant upgrade kit for other rebuilds. Especially the Genesis. So you may see a ton of rebuilt P42's and F59's that become quasi- HSP's under the hood with AC traction. GE certainly sees profits there where it doesn't quite see the need to go high-risk with an all-new make. You'll also certainly see a lot more gut-and-rebuilds like the MP32PH-Q as more old Geep carbodies come available. That's almost going to make things even
more off-shelf in the immediate-term.
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What are the most widely-used coaches?
#1. Bombardier BiLevel and derivatives (low-boarding). Operators: GO Transit, Metrolink, Caltrain, AMT, Tri-Rail, UTA FrontRunner, Sounder, West Coast Express, TRE, Coaster, ACE, SunRail, Rail Runner Express, Northstar.
#2. Metra gallery cars via multiple manufacturers (low-boarding). Operators: Metra, Caltrain, VRE, Music City Star
#3. Comet-class single-levels (vestibule boarding...same near-exact design goes by different names on different operators). Operators: NJT, MNRR, MBTA, SEPTA, AMT, UTA FrontRunner.
#4. Bombardier MultiLevel (vestibule boarding). Operators: NJT, AMT, MARC. Future orders expected for MNRR and LIRR.
#5. Kawasaki-style bi-level and derivatives (vestibule boarding). Operators: MBTA and MARC.
Outliers: LIRR's craptacular customized C3's up for retirement soon, MARC IIA (in active phase-out) and IIB single-levels, Shore Line East Mafersa single-levels.
Now...there are some bad derivatives out there. Pretty much anything with Rotem's name on it (Bombardier BLV knock-offs, Kawasaki bi-level knock-offs) has been a disaster. The MBTA's anal-retentive software specs have been a bad decision. But there are basically only 5 designs of commuter rail coaches on the continent that you can order or get for rebuild. 4 if you're talking all-new, since single-levels are on the wane and rebuild-only. All of them battle-tested through multiple-generations. And that's basically how it's going to be for pretty much the next couple decades. If you don't deviate from what's bulletproof on 38 years of BLV perfection, 70+ years of gallery car perfection, 23 years of K-car perfection, 45 years of umpteenth-rebuilt Comet perfection, and 2 generations of MLV's now rounding into form...it is pretty damn hard to screw up a coach order. Which is amusing for how hard some agencies seem to try.