• What If the Norfolk & Western Hadn't Merged?

  • Discussion related to the Norfolk & Western, up to 1982. Also includes discussion of the Virginian Railway (1959); Wabash; Nickel Plate; Pittsburgh & West Virginia Railway; Akron, Canton & Youngstown Raiload (all 1964); and the Illinois Terminal (1981).
Discussion related to the Norfolk & Western, up to 1982. Also includes discussion of the Virginian Railway (1959); Wabash; Nickel Plate; Pittsburgh & West Virginia Railway; Akron, Canton & Youngstown Raiload (all 1964); and the Illinois Terminal (1981).
  by ThePointyHairedBoss
 
This is just an Idea I had. What if the CSX merger had been called off, so therefore the N&W and Southern would have never tried to merge? What would the N&W be like today? Would they have broken up Conrail with Chessie? What sort of motive power would they have?(I'm guessing standard cabbed SD70's, and SD70M-2's) Just what would they have been like?

P.S. None of the other Mega-Mergers happened too

  by uhaul
 
All I can say is that narrowed nosed SD70M-2s would not exist since they can not meet the latest impact requirements.

  by Otto Vondrak
 
Before we take part in your personal fantasy, why don't YOU tell us what you think N&W would be like today?
  by lvrr325
 
Didn't NS and Southern join in 1982, and CSX begin to consolidate the Seaboard System and Chessie System into one road 1984 or 1985?
  by dinwitty
 
ThePointyHairedBoss wrote:This is just an Idea I had. What if the CSX merger had been called off, so therefore the N&W and Southern would have never tried to merge? What would the N&W be like today? Would they have broken up Conrail with Chessie? What sort of motive power would they have?(I'm guessing standard cabbed SD70's, and SD70M-2's) Just what would they have been like?

P.S. None of the other Mega-Mergers happened too
They might have merged with the Santa Fe and create the first true one company transcontinental railroad.
  by mmi16
 
lvrr325 wrote:Didn't NS and Southern join in 1982, and CSX begin to consolidate the Seaboard System and Chessie System into one road 1984 or 1985?
The Official merger date between the Seaboard Coast Line and Chessie System was Nov. 1 1980. From M day until the mid-80's they continued to operate as separate systems with some minor coordination projects. Beginning in 1985 plans were undertaken to fully merge the property into a single operating entity - CSXT.
  by west point
 
This is the closest topic I could find. ''

Why does fallen flags not have a SOU RR topic ?? N&W and NS topics do not reach that RR!
  by s4ny
 
In the ICC 1923 plan, the C&O, Erie, DL&W, Nickel Plate and other lesser lines were to be combined.

The N&W was to be combined with Wabash, Seaboard, and others.

Reading was to be part of the B&O group along with the BR&P and B&S both of which the B&O later acquired. The Reading and BR&P would have allowed the B&O to greatly shorten the distance between NY and Chicago by building a fairly short connection in central PA. It was never built.

These were good plans.

Later, in 1968, the N&W formed DERECO to acquire the Erie Lackawanna and Delaware and Hudson. N&W operated these lines but did not legally consolidate DERECO. After 4 years, N&W stepped away. EL went into Conrail and D&H became part of CP.

N&W had good managers and good lawyers.