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JeffK wrote:[ ] MalfeasanceSepta still has rights to the line and an entire ROW rebuild would be necessary, DWM167 is right on the money in his post. I don't see what the issue is here. Much of the line is already served by the R2 and R3 to boot.
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jfrey40535 wrote:So how is it that SEPTA was free to discontinue service, turn a working line that was given to them by Conrail, tear it apart and make it mush, but not be able to fix what they broke? They're holding onto the property, but making every effort to prevent it from being used for any mode of future mass transit.Because SEPTA answers to no one except when it comes to making money. Harrisburg has not clamped down on SEPTA and their desecration of Conrail-inherited lines (Newtown, Bethlehem), so SEPTA does as they please. We have to get on Harrisburg. We know SEPTA is hurting the southeast region in a big way.
glennk419 wrote:Just wait until all those "trailers" start peeking in the Pitcairn's windows and polluting that beloved Pennypack creek with all of their trash and beer bottles.Mmmmm, generally a rail-trail is cleaner than the abandoned railroad that preceded it. First, because people's expectations of its cleanliness are higher. Second, because there's usually a Friends of the Newtown Trail or somesuch group which takes reponsibility for keeping the trail clean. Third, because the trash and beer bottle people are already using the ROW for their wild drunken parties. And fourth, because a trail's sight-lines are longer, there's more chance of being spotted at malfeasance.
limejuice wrote:A short line operator could make it happen since they could afford to send 4 guys out to resurface the railbed every day at twelve bucks an hour. Be happy the line isn't abandoned.You are right. I am very thankful that the line is not abandoned. I do not think SEPTA has ever abandoned any trackage: in fact, they have done everything BUT that.
RussNelson wrote:My comment was meant somewhat tongue-in-cheek however, being that Bryn Athyn is a very insular community that has gone out of its' way to discourage outsiders from traveling through its' boundaries, I would also expect that there would be some displeasure by the residents with the additional traffic that a trail would generate. I have received some "looks" just hiking the existing ROW in the past.glennk419 wrote:Just wait until all those "trailers" start peeking in the Pitcairn's windows and polluting that beloved Pennypack creek with all of their trash and beer bottles.Mmmmm, generally a rail-trail is cleaner than the abandoned railroad that preceded it. First, because people's expectations of its cleanliness are higher. Second, because there's usually a Friends of the Newtown Trail or somesuch group which takes reponsibility for keeping the trail clean. Third, because the trash and beer bottle people are already using the ROW for their wild drunken parties. And fourth, because a trail's sight-lines are longer, there's more chance of being spotted at malfeasance.
glennk419 wrote:...being that Bryn Athyn is a very insular community that has gone out of its' way to discourage outsiders from traveling through its' boundaries...Glennk419, that is a verrrrry accurate assessment of Bryn Athyn, one that should be promoted (negatively, of course) when discussing the Newtown line. I commend you!
limejuice wrote:Alright! Let's spread hearsay! Advancing stereotypes about an entire group of people never has any bad consequences, right? But hey, as long as it has an infinitesimal effect on our agenda, right? Just out of curiosity - anyone ever met someone from Bryn Athyn? Is there any hard evidence of the community as a whole actively opposing restoration of the branch? Or is the general hatred of the community only based on the Pennypack Trust's past opposition to electric train service?No offense intended or hatred implied whatsoever, just a general observation of how the borough has allowed many of it's roads and bridges (Creek, Paper Mill, et al) to detereorate over the years to the point where they had to be closed and gated to anything other than foot traffic (and barely adequate for that). The general sentiment toward opposition to through traffic and restoration of rail service in the interest of "privacy" has been well known and documented over the years. As for the Pennypack Trust, their efforts toward open space preservation should be applauded.
Postby limejuice on Thu May 07, 2009 4:51 pmIf I remember correctly, it was one of the Pitcairns that was against electrifying the line, not restoration of diesel service. They did not want the unsightly cat poles running through their community, destroying their park like views. I don't believe that the actual community was against electrification of service, just the family with a lot of money. I don't think the Pitcairn that was against electrification is still in the area.
Alright! Let's spread hearsay! Advancing stereotypes about an entire group of people never has any bad consequences, right? But hey, as long as it has an infinitesimal effect on our agenda, right? Just out of curiosity - anyone ever met someone from Bryn Athyn? Is there any hard evidence of the community as a whole actively opposing restoration of the branch? Or is the general hatred of the community only based on the Pennypack Trust's past opposition to electric train service?
glennk419 wrote:No offense intended or hatred implied whatsoever, just a general observation of how the borough has allowed many of it's roads and bridges (Creek, Paper Mill, et al) to detereorate over the years to the point where they had to be closed and gated to anything other than foot traffic (and barely adequate for that). The general sentiment toward opposition to through traffic and restoration of rail service in the interest of "privacy" has been well known and documented over the years. As for the Pennypack Trust, their efforts toward open space preservation should be applauded.I think those roads were intentionally left to deteriorate because the surrounding land either belonged to, or was willed to the trust. They have repaired the bridges though. This happens in other places in this kind of situation. For example, where the Schuylkill River Trail goes from Shawmont down toward Manayunk was once a through road. Certainly the Bryn Athyn folks in general are a bit insular, but not aggressively so. I mean they have a big banner in front of their church welcoming anyone, so it's not as if they want to be completely shut off from outsiders. I've always been met with friendly faces when hiking the right of way. And I'm sure many other trespassers are outsiders just as we are.
dreese_us wrote:If I remember correctly, it was one of the Pitcairns that was against electrifying the line, not restoration of diesel service. They did not want the unsightly cat poles running through their community, destroying their park like views. I don't believe that the actual community was against electrification of service, just the family with a lot of money. I don't think the Pitcairn that was against electrification is still in the area.That's what I'd figured. It was Feodor Pitcairn, and he's still in the area, but no longer on the board of the trust or the Montco planning commission, as he was when the issue was last raised. Apparently he's now in the underwater ocean videography business. I wonder what would happen if the issue were raised today? The world has changed a bit in 20 years.
limejuice wrote:Alright! Let's spread hearsay! Advancing stereotypes about an entire group of people never has any bad consequences, right? But hey, as long as it has an infinitesimal effect on our agenda, right? Just out of curiosity - anyone ever met someone from Bryn Athyn? Is there any hard evidence of the community as a whole actively opposing restoration of the branch? Or is the general hatred of the community only based on the Pennypack Trust's past opposition to electric train service?limejuice, of course I am making a generalization, so keep it in context. No hatred involved. This speaks more to the politics of the area than branding every resident. However, it can be argued that --- SEPTA aside --- Bryn Athyn, and even moreso, Abington's Ward 2, where the trail is---has always put their agenda front and center instead in partaking in something that is for the greater good of the region. By Abington Ward 2 pushing their well endowed people and politics around, they are hurting every other town who has pushed hard for the last 25+ years to restore rail service. Why should one town be allowed over hurt Newtown, Holland, Churchville, Southampton, etc?