• New NY Dual Mode Discussion

  • This forum will be for issues that don't belong specifically to one NYC area transit agency, but several. For instance, intra-MTA proposals or MTA-wide issues, which may involve both Metro-North Railroad (MNRR) and the Long Island Railroad (LIRR). Other intra-agency examples: through running such as the now discontinued MNRR-NJT Meadowlands special. Topics which only concern one operating agency should remain in their respective forums.
This forum will be for issues that don't belong specifically to one NYC area transit agency, but several. For instance, intra-MTA proposals or MTA-wide issues, which may involve both Metro-North Railroad (MNRR) and the Long Island Railroad (LIRR). Other intra-agency examples: through running such as the now discontinued MNRR-NJT Meadowlands special. Topics which only concern one operating agency should remain in their respective forums.

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  by Fishrrman
 
My solution for the Hudson line service, both Amtrak and Metro-North:

Put up AC catenary from CP 12 to Rensselaer (or even Schenectady).
Extend existing catenary from the north end of the Empire tunnel to CP 12.

Now...
Amtrak service runs with electrics Penn Station to Albany/Ren. (Use existing design, just order more)

Metro-North changes to M-8 style equipment for Hudson service, with the changeover taking place between CP 11 and CP 12.

Metro-North can now extend service through to Rhinecliff (with connecting bus to Kingston).

No new locomotive technology required and the solution uses less (as in, "no") fossil fuels...
(J.Albert)
  by bostontrainguy
 
Fishrrman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:01 pm No new locomotive technology required and the solution uses less (as in, "no") fossil fuels...
(J.Albert)
And what generates the electricity pray tell?
(Just being a wise ass)
  by Jeff Smith
 
The juice is NOT worth the squeeze there, Mr. Fishrrman. Why would MNRR want to replace third rail? M8's carry a weight penalty and are more expensive. Then there's the cost; can you imagine what it would cost? Not just south of Croton, but all the way to Albany and beyond? An ALP-45 obviates the need for any additional infrastructure on either route.
  by west point
 
Not enough round trips to Albany to justify electrification. Now if a way to get jobs ---- Maybe ? To justify we probably would need 12 or more round trips. New Haven - BOS has 19 scheduled RTs week days..
  by StLouSteve
 
In a perfect world, we would electrify to Buffalo or Chicago as part of rebuilding the line for higher speed service. Given the old four track ROW from Albany west, two tracks could be left diesel for freight service and one track solely for passenger service. If we were in Europe, this would have been done already. Here, I don't know if I will see it in my lifetime.

Eventually we may see battery power for the short distance from NYP to the West Side line or for dragging through the tunnel to Sunnyside for service. Shore power could be connected when parked in Penn or Sunnyside.

Didn't NYC have battery diesels on the west side line once upon a time?
  by Jeff Smith
 
Let's move on from electrification expansion; there are other topics out there that talk about that. This is about DM replacement.
  by scratchyX1
 
StLouSteve wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:08 am In a perfect world, we would electrify to Buffalo or Chicago as part of rebuilding the line for higher speed service. Given the old four track ROW from Albany west, two tracks could be left diesel for freight service and one track solely for passenger service. If we were in Europe, this would have been done already. Here, I don't know if I will see it in my lifetime.
Unless virgin/brightline moves operations north when florida is too waterlogged to continue operations.

Eventually we may see battery power for the short distance from NYP to the West Side line or for dragging through the tunnel to Sunnyside for service. Shore power could be connected when parked in Penn or Sunnyside.

Didn't NYC have battery diesels on the west side line once upon a time?
Yes, they did have battery diesels, everything old is new again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_three-power_boxcab
  by BandA
 
According to wikipedia, the ALP45-DP has TWO Cat 3512C diesel prime-movers with Tier-2 emissions (Cat website says 3512C has Tier-3 emissions) So the new units will presumably have 3512E which is Tier-4. These are made in USA, so will be shipped to Europe then back in the finished locomotive.
  by Backshophoss
 
But this 2nd gen units will still be shop Queens to maintain tier IV emissions
They are Class 8 Truck engines!!!