• NJT Comet IV Cars

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Discussion related to New Jersey Transit rail and light rail operations.

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  by ConrailRailfan
 
Hi, does anyone know why the Comet IV Cab Cars do not lead trains anymore?
Thanks!
  by ALP46A 4662
 
IIRC, I believe it has something to do with the cab signals not being up to date with today's standards.
  by DutchRailnut
 
I think it has more to do with door, trapdoor and steps under engineers seat, and a local agreement with BLET.
the Alstom cab cars do not have that door and trap and have better seats and heat and safety.
  by CNJGeep
 
DutchRailnut wrote:I think it has more to do with door, trapdoor and steps under engineers seat, and a local agreement with BLET.
the Alstom cab cars do not have that door and trap and have better seats and heat and safety.
Comet IVs have none of those items.
  by Passaic River Rat
 
DutchRailnut wrote:I think it has more to do with door, trapdoor and steps under engineers seat, and a local agreement with BLET.
the Alstom cab cars do not have that door and trap and have better seats and heat and safety.
You think wrong.
  by SecaucusJunction
 
Isn't there a separate reason why they need to always be directly behind the locomotive?
  by Olton Hall
 
SecaucusJunction wrote:Isn't there a separate reason why they need to always be directly behind the locomotive?
I suspect it's because they have an end door that they can close that keeps the weather out far better than a little bar.
  by ConrailRailfan
 
Thanks for the replies, I guess they will just use them as regular cars.
  by JamesRR
 
I thought one reason was FRA structural standards. The older Comet cabs didn't meet newer requirements, hence all cabs are now the Comet V.
  by NJT4207
 
there are no steps under the engineer's seat on Comet 4's.
  by sully7302
 
JamesRR wrote:I thought one reason was FRA structural standards. The older Comet cabs didn't meet newer requirements, hence all cabs are now the Comet V.
That is a rumor considering Metro North has no problem running the same equipment on the other side of the Hudson.
  by ChrisU
 
I thought it was an Amtrak restriction which prevented them from leading trains or is this not true?
  by AmTransit
 
None of those have anything to do with the Comet IV's not leading any longer. The Comet IV's are equipped with EPIC 3102 which includes a very old EPIC computer and other components of the air brake system which are no longer available. This and a few other things prevent them from leading but does not effect them from trailing at this time.
  by ConrailRailfan
 
Thanks for the replies. Are there any chances of them leading again if/when they upgrade them?
  by F-line to Dudley via Park
 
ConrailRailfan wrote:Thanks for the replies. Are there any chances of them leading again if/when they upgrade them?

Chances are they're getting retired by the backside of the next MLV procurement after the Comet II's get mowed down. Interim fixes are most likely dependent on how much-delayed the MLV procurement is because of agency finances/dysfunction.