Discussion relating to the operations of MTA MetroNorth Railroad including west of Hudson operations and discussion of CtDOT sponsored rail operations such as Shore Line East and the Springfield to New Haven Hartford Line

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  by Ridgefielder
 
I'd take the hole. At least you dig the money up again.
  by Jeff Smith
 
I'd be ticked. Actually, I am ticked. All those years, phases, etc., and basically you get a two page brochure and a one paragraph summary. And that cost millions of dollars. And nothing except an upgrade that was going to happen study or not.

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  by Jeff Smith
 
(In my best Barbra Streisand voice) memories.... in this case, from 2007. Man, was I wrong.

Yes, I'm necroposting. Just reviewing some threads... :P
Jeff Smith wrote:Seriously, I think this has a shot.
  by Jeff Smith
 
From 2008. Funny how some things never change.... still broke!
DutchRailnut wrote:Lets not forget that State of Connecticut is broke and transportation dreams are on back burner for now.
  by Jeff Smith
 
NewsTimes

The reason for the necro-posting above. What's old is new again....
Bill would provide upgrades to Danbury line

WILTON — State Rep. Gail Lavielle, R-Wilton, has called the Danbury branch line the “poor stepchild” of Metro-North Railroad since she was elected in 2011.
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“Given the state’s precarious financial situation, we feel that it is unlikely that any bill requesting the $400 million or more necessary for the full electrification of the branch line would be passed this year,” she said. “So we are taking the approach of trying to identify other less extensive measures that could improve service in cost-effective ways and to begin, at least, making progress.”
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The bill does not specify upgrades and costs to allow for input during the legislative session, Lavielle noted, and the dozen legislators have already started meeting with the state Department of Transportation and Gov. Dannel P. Malloy’s staff.
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Additionally, Lavielle believes improvements would help attract more passengers on the line. Despite the record-setting ridership of 40.5 million passengers on the New Haven Line line in 2016, figures provided by the state DOT show a 2.4 percent drop in ridership on the Danbury line in 2016 — although the agency reported a 0.5 percent increase in a press release published on Jan. 24.

Written testimony can be submitted to [email protected]. Testimony must refer to HB 6553 at the start, and people must include their name and town. There is no limit on length for written testimony.
Anyone want to email them the thread? :P
  by F-line to Dudley via Park
 
Well, at least they're not wholly distracted by electrification shiny things this time. That's an improvement in itself for Fairfield County politiciancritters.
  by TCurtin
 
The utter ridiculousness of electrifying to Danbury doesn't keep that matter from coming up, coming up, and coming up again. Why ridiculous? Consider two points: 1. There is no operational or quality of service advantage in doing this. I grew up in Danbury in the 50s when the New Haven ran electrics there, and I rode them, and I still have the timetables. I can tell you categorically that the running time today with the diesel equipment they use is identical!!.
2. Metro North's efficiency won't be improved by eliminating diesel trains since the equipment is identical to that used on the Wassaic and Poughkeepsie trains, so they'll still have it on the roster.

Also, I might mention that it came up on this forum once before that MU's don't have sanders, and this lack can be a problem on the Danbury line. Is everybody out there aware of how hilly that branch is? The most notable is about 2.2 miles of 1.12 percent grade north out of Branchville.
  by DutchRailnut
 
and from Honey hill road till just south of old Georgetown, and between wall street tunnel and Perry Ave and - and - and :-)
  by atlantis
 
It's understandable why some folks would like to see the line reelectrified. There is a perception by some people that removal of the original electric rail service to be some kind of "backwards progress" or regression. That being said, if it came down to a choice of electrification or expansion, I would rather have the latter than the former, with electrification perhaps occurring at an appropriate time in the future.
  by NaugyRR
 
I agree with you atlantis regarding expansion vs. electrification. The upper Harlem runs just fine as a diesel operation, I don't think the Danbury branch would benefit from electrification as much as the pol's seem to think it would, at least not at this point in time. Right now I think track upgrades and expansion northward are the way to go here.
  by atlantis
 
Indeed, Naugy. As I always say, a diesel train is better than no train. Here in the Boston area, aside from the imperfections at the MBTA, we have gotten along fine with diesel train service. That being said, I believe electrification should be pursued, but only where warranted and after careful thought and planning
  by RearOfSignal
 
NaugyRR wrote:I agree with you atlantis regarding expansion vs. electrification. The upper Harlem runs just fine as a diesel operation, I don't think the Danbury branch would benefit from electrification as much as the pol's seem to think it would, at least not at this point in time. Right now I think track upgrades and expansion northward are the way to go here.
The reason some people want electrification of the Danbury is so that they can ride the M8s straight shot into the city on the through trains. They feel slighted that they are paying for new trains yet they can't ride them except off-hours. Not saying that this is a valid reason, just that it is one reason.
  by DutchRailnut
 
even if branch were electrified, only same amount of trains would go direct to New york, rest still would be shuttles.

and when new push pull trains will be ordered/delivered those branch line people will have newest and latest
  by Ridgefielder
 
RearOfSignal wrote:
NaugyRR wrote:I agree with you atlantis regarding expansion vs. electrification. The upper Harlem runs just fine as a diesel operation, I don't think the Danbury branch would benefit from electrification as much as the pol's seem to think it would, at least not at this point in time. Right now I think track upgrades and expansion northward are the way to go here.
The reason some people want electrification of the Danbury is so that they can ride the M8s straight shot into the city on the through trains. They feel slighted that they are paying for new trains yet they can't ride them except off-hours. Not saying that this is a valid reason, just that it is one reason.
Don't discount local memory. People see the cat poles on the branch, see the 1950's-vintage pictures of EP3s at the head of a long string of shiny lightweight cars, conflate that with stories about how old mister so-and-so would have lunch in the diner of The Berkshire or drinks in the parlor car of The Housatonic, compare that to today and think "Electric = Better!"
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