Technology outgrew 4 motors. EMD couldn't even offer Santa Fe the cowl they initially sought with the GP60 while maintaining the desired axle rating, which led to the creation of the GP60M as a compromise to keep weight within load limits. And that was 25 years ago now. Locomotives have only gotten more complicated since then and there's simply no way to accommodate the latest 4,000 hp AC technology from EMD or GE within the confines of a 4 axle platform.
As for the C4 concept, it has absolutely nothing to do with saving weight. They're 416,000 lbs just like standard ES44DC's and ES44AC's. And I'm sure if a customer wanted, GE would be perfectly happy to ballast them to 432,000 just like CSX's ES44AH's.
This concept exists due to cost and commonality. These A1A AC machines are able to be sold at a cost comparable to the six motor ES44DC thanks to the savings of 2 AC motors and associated components compared to the ES44AC. And they offer comparable performance to the ES44DC as well (Starting tractive effort on the ES44DC is 142,000lbs with a continuous tractive effort rating 109,000 lbs compared to the C4 with 144,000 lbs and 105,000 lbs respectively).
And they do all that with more durable AC traction motors while offering increased parts commonality with their numerous six motored AC cousins.
So I wouldn't count on the rest of their Dash 9 fleet, which are distributed power compatible for an example where these ATSF Dash 9's are inferior and don't blend in well today thanks to their earlier electronics, receiving a C4 style rebuilding.
As for the C4 concept, it has absolutely nothing to do with saving weight. They're 416,000 lbs just like standard ES44DC's and ES44AC's. And I'm sure if a customer wanted, GE would be perfectly happy to ballast them to 432,000 just like CSX's ES44AH's.
This concept exists due to cost and commonality. These A1A AC machines are able to be sold at a cost comparable to the six motor ES44DC thanks to the savings of 2 AC motors and associated components compared to the ES44AC. And they offer comparable performance to the ES44DC as well (Starting tractive effort on the ES44DC is 142,000lbs with a continuous tractive effort rating 109,000 lbs compared to the C4 with 144,000 lbs and 105,000 lbs respectively).
And they do all that with more durable AC traction motors while offering increased parts commonality with their numerous six motored AC cousins.
AVR Mark wrote:It appears that BNSF thinks that the concept is a success. My evidence for this statement is that they are now rebuilding older GEs (C44-9W) in the 600 series into the the same A-1-A AC motored configuration. I think that the real objective is to reduce maintenance costs because AC traction motors don't have commutators or brushes.The 600's are non-standard and have air brake and electrical systems that don't blend in well with their more modern Dash 9 stablemates, ES44DC's, and C4's.
So I wouldn't count on the rest of their Dash 9 fleet, which are distributed power compatible for an example where these ATSF Dash 9's are inferior and don't blend in well today thanks to their earlier electronics, receiving a C4 style rebuilding.
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