emd_SD_60 wrote:It looks like tin panels were used on the sides, doesn't it?Maybe the G stood for galvinized.
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emd_SD_60 wrote:It looks like tin panels were used on the sides, doesn't it?Maybe the G stood for galvinized.
7 Train wrote:The late, great E60.I second that, though I have no idea why. The E-60s were generally before my time (at least, before I had much of an interest in railfanning and the ability to do anything about it). Inexplicably, I find myself strangely drawn to them.
pgengler wrote:The E-60-CH's were good pullers for sure and had roomy cabs compared to the A7's. That's about it for the good points. The ride quality was, well, breathtaking to say the least. And self-lapping brake valves are best suited for freight service. I guess GE had Amtrak's demise in mind when they designed these rats. GE must have forgot that 15 years prior they built the E-44 which was still soldiering away in freight and probably would have seen another 20 years of service had CR not pulled the plug on electric freight service. No pun intended, of course.7 Train wrote:The late, great E60.I second that, though I have no idea why. The E-60s were generally before my time (at least, before I had much of an interest in railfanning and the ability to do anything about it). Inexplicably, I find myself strangely drawn to them.
Allen Hazen wrote:I think what happened was that Amtrak wanted freight off the Northeast Corridor, and without the NYC-Washinton main line, the remainder of the electrified system was not viable: to continue electrified freight operation, Conrail would have had to put up new wires over its non-PRR freight routes (and even, since Corridor freight south of Philadelphia was moved onto trackage rights) over the B&O Washington-Philly line!I'm not sure Amtrak necessarily wanted freight off of their lines. I believe they just wanted more for it than CR was willing to pay. First off, the rates for using electric power were increased, leading to CR abandoning electric ops in the early '80s. On top of the power usage charges, CR would have had to put more capital into new or rebuilt motors. That souped-up E44 Allen mentioned was a demonstrator, I guess, for what would be needed in the future if the electric ops were continued.
LCJ wrote: I'm not sure Amtrak necessarily wanted freight off of their lines. I believe they just wanted more for it than CR was willing to pay. First off, the rates for using electric power were increased, leading to CR abandoning electric ops in the early '80s. On top of the power usage charges, CR would have had to put more capital into new or rebuilt motors. That souped-up E44 Allen mentioned was a demonstrator, I guess, for what would be needed in the future if the electric ops were continued.Amtrak most defintely wanted CR off the corridor and charging them triple the going rate for ton/miles was an effective way to accomplish this.
DGLE E44 in Strasburg, PA
Allen Hazen wrote:ThebigC--"Bricks" were the electric freight king on the PRR, PC, CR. The power of choice for the "juice" train.
It's nice to hear somebody speak up for the E-44; I've long had a soft spot in my heart for it!
The end of electric freight operations was surprising (and I can't help think unfortunate: in this age of environmental concern, it would surely be a good thing for the United States to have at least a protype/pilot model of a non-internal-combustion railroad operation, at least for comparative purposes, and the ex-PRR could have provided one!). In the first couple of years of Conrail there was even talk of extending the electrification, and GE I think rebuilt one E-44 with state-or-the-art "innards": something they wouldn't have bothered to do if they hadn't thought a big (rebuilding or new unit) order from Conrail was possible.
I think what happened was that Amtrak wanted freight off the Northeast Corridor, and without the NYC-Washinton main line, the remainder of the electrified system was not viable: to continue electrified freight operation, Conrail would have had to put up new wires over its non-PRR freight routes (and even, since Corridor freight south of Philadelphia was moved onto trackage rights) over the B&O Washington-Philly line!
Sad.
At least we have one E-44 left, at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania in Strasburg. I had a few melancholy moments when I visited it, remembering better days.
ATK wrote:Why do you need recordings??? Do you have a vacuum cleaner at home? Turn it on. There's your P32!When we were in Galesburg Yesterday we saw 500 on 4(28). My Dad thought it was an F-Unit.
Anyone who has spent any length of time around those locomotives can attest as to how obnoxious those blowers are. I can still hear the ringing in my ears...
Despite the blowers, the locomotive is still an engineering marvel. The fact that the P32 can change modes between diesel and third rail (and back) with no loss of HEP is quite amazing.