• SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

  • Discussion relating to Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (Philadelphia Metro Area). Official web site can be found here: www.septa.com. Also including discussion related to the PATCO Speedline rapid transit operated by Delaware River Port Authority. Official web site can be found here: http://www.ridepatco.org/.
Discussion relating to Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (Philadelphia Metro Area). Official web site can be found here: www.septa.com. Also including discussion related to the PATCO Speedline rapid transit operated by Delaware River Port Authority. Official web site can be found here: http://www.ridepatco.org/.

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  by rcthompson04
 
MACTRAXX wrote:Everyone - Interesting report on 6abc Action News on 5/1 titled:
"Building it Better: How SEPTA plans to improve mass transit in Philadelphia"
https://www.6abc.com/travel/how-septa-p ... a/5280342/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One mistake I took notice to is the mention that the CRRC multilevels due in 2020 are going to
replace railcars dating from the 1970s (meaning the Silverliner Four cars) which is not the case
with only 55(?) new cars to be added to the fleet. This will only increase the amount of trains
using locomotive-hauled consists alongside the new ACS64 motors now in service.

An outright replacement will be the future order of Silverliner Six cars (around 200 cars) which
WILL replace the entire Silverliner Four fleet. These cars are now between 45 and 43 years old
as of this year. Do they have a legitimate chance to get to 50 years of service?

MACTRAXX
Whether they should or not, they will almost certainly. I think the point 6ABC is trying to get across is that many of these cars will start supplanting existing Silverliner IV runs like the all day push-pull run.
  by mcgrath618
 
MACTRAXX wrote:Everyone - Interesting report on 6abc Action News on 5/1 titled:
"Building it Better: How SEPTA plans to improve mass transit in Philadelphia"
https://www.6abc.com/travel/how-septa-p ... a/5280342/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One mistake I took notice to is the mention that the CRRC multilevels due in 2020 are going to
replace railcars dating from the 1970s (meaning the Silverliner Four cars) which is not the case
with only 55(?) new cars to be added to the fleet. This will only increase the amount of trains
using locomotive-hauled consists alongside the new ACS64 motors now in service.

An outright replacement will be the future order of Silverliner Six cars (around 200 cars) which
WILL replace the entire Silverliner Four fleet. These cars are now between 45 and 43 years old
as of this year. Do they have a legitimate chance to get to 50 years of service?

MACTRAXX
Depends on how long the NJT contract takes. The order called for SEPTA's 250 cars as an addition to their original order, so assumedly theirs would have to be filled first.
  by ChemiosMurphy
 
mcgrath618 wrote:Depends on how long the NJT contract takes. The order called for SEPTA's 250 cars as an addition to their original order, so assumedly theirs would have to be filled first.
Since this would be an option from another agency, does this allow Septa to bypass the bidding process and simply go with Bombardier? If so, it's a shame they went with CRRC instead of BBD MLV, the fleet would have been almost unified.
  by rcthompson04
 
ChemiosMurphy wrote:
mcgrath618 wrote:Depends on how long the NJT contract takes. The order called for SEPTA's 250 cars as an addition to their original order, so assumedly theirs would have to be filled first.
Since this would be an option from another agency, does this allow Septa to bypass the bidding process and simply go with Bombardier? If so, it's a shame they went with CRRC instead of BBD MLV, the fleet would have been almost unified.
I think after the Silverliner V fiasco in 2016 it makes sense to have a good level of diversity in the fleet.
  by mcgrath618
 
ChemiosMurphy wrote:
mcgrath618 wrote:Depends on how long the NJT contract takes. The order called for SEPTA's 250 cars as an addition to their original order, so assumedly theirs would have to be filled first.
Since this would be an option from another agency, does this allow Septa to bypass the bidding process and simply go with Bombardier? If so, it's a shame they went with CRRC instead of BBD MLV, the fleet would have been almost unified.
Correct. There will be no RFP from SEPTA.
  by JeffK
 
mcgrath618 wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:16 pm The bad news: it’s no longer called Wawa. It’s now “Middletown.” Oh well.
Maybe they were concerned about confusion with the food store chain (even though that's where the company started)? :P

But seriously, it would be a great opportunity for co-branding. No need to rename a station (AT&T, wait, NRG, who knows what next) or worry about people wondering what the name represents. Show your Key card and get a buck off a hoagie!
  by mcgrath618
 
JeffK wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:05 pm
mcgrath618 wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:16 pm The bad news: it’s no longer called Wawa. It’s now “Middletown.” Oh well.
Maybe they were concerned about confusion with the food store chain (even though that's where the company started)? :P

But seriously, it would be a great opportunity for co-branding. No need to rename a station (AT&T, wait, NRG, who knows what next) or worry about people wondering what the name represents. Show your Key card and get a buck off a hoagie!
It makes even more sense when you consider that there’s another station on the line named “Primos”
  by amtrakhogger
 
mcgrath618 wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:16 pm The good news: the Wawa Extension pushes forward, and they expect to start construction on the station before the end of the year.

The bad news: it’s no longer called Wawa. It’s now “Middletown.” Oh well.

http://septa.org/rebuilding/pdf/elwyn-w ... 8-2019.pdf
Probably because "Wawa" is a trademarked name of the Wawa Corporation.
  by mcgrath618
 
amtrakhogger wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:36 pm
mcgrath618 wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:16 pm The good news: the Wawa Extension pushes forward, and they expect to start construction on the station before the end of the year.

The bad news: it’s no longer called Wawa. It’s now “Middletown.” Oh well.

http://septa.org/rebuilding/pdf/elwyn-w ... 8-2019.pdf
Probably because "Wawa" is a trademarked name of the Wawa Corporation.
And also the genuine name of a municipality in Media, PA, where this station would exist?
  by Quinn
 
If they name the station Wawa from the start, they can't go asking for naming rights later. :wink: I wouldn't be surprised if it's eventually called "Wawa" and they make some coin for that.
  by MACTRAXX
 
mcgrath618 wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:58 pm
amtrakhogger wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:36 pm
mcgrath618 wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:16 pm The good news: the Wawa Extension pushes forward, and they expect to start construction on the station before the end of the year.

The bad news: it’s no longer called Wawa. It’s now “Middletown.” Oh well.

http://septa.org/rebuilding/pdf/elwyn-w ... 8-2019.pdf
Probably because "Wawa" is a trademarked name of the Wawa Corporation.
And also the genuine name of a municipality in Media, PA, where this station would exist?
MCG: You mean Delaware County, PA...Media Borough is a separate entity and the County Seat...
MACTRAXX
  by ekt8750
 
Wawa also isn't a municipality. It's an unincorporated section of Middletown Twp.
  by mcgrath618
 
ekt8750 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:00 am Wawa also isn't a municipality. It's an unincorporated section of Middletown Twp.
Pardon me, I was confusing Wawa, USA with Wawa, Canada :)
  by rcthompson04
 
mcgrath618 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:21 am
ekt8750 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:00 am Wawa also isn't a municipality. It's an unincorporated section of Middletown Twp.
Pardon me, I was confusing Wawa, USA with Wawa, Canada :)
What is the next logical extension point past Middletown? Seeing SEPTA is taking a progression approach here, would the next stop on the way to West Chester if this works be where the line crosses under 926?
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