So much for preservation. I enjoyed watching them when they were on the gel trains and am surprised that at least the FA didn't find its way to Ronkonkoma.
Glenn
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CNJGeep wrote:NorthPennLimited wrote:They have been gone from Wayne Junction for a week.Yes...to the Centennial Track at Roberts Yard, where they will be cut up. The sale fell through. I have no further info.
Did they begin their journey south?
MACTRAXX wrote:Posted to the LIRR Forum under the Power Pack 623 thread.CNJGeep wrote:NorthPennLimited wrote:They have been gone from Wayne Junction for a week.Yes...to the Centennial Track at Roberts Yard, where they will be cut up. The sale fell through. I have no further info.
Did they begin their journey south?
CNJ, Glenn and Everyone: Sad news concerning 615 and 622...A link to the LIRR Forum should be added here because
there are LIRR historians that post there that are involved either with the Oyster Bay Railroad Museum and Railroad
Museum of Long Island (Riverhead and Greenport) that should be at least aware that SEPTA plans now to scrap both of
these units. Does anyone have any recent pictures inside and out and are they at least roadworthy in case of perhaps
a last minute “stay of execution”? What would SEPTA want for them as a scrap price? MACTRAXX
mcgrath618 wrote:This is incredibly sad. I would start a gofundme to purchase the FA 1 if it was up to me, but I think it's beyond saving at this point.A point was brought up to me that due to the years of carrying around the various liquids on the Gel Train, the frames on #s 615 & 622 were probably reduced to almost dust. A good chance why the deal to save them fell through.
liftedjeep wrote:Ben, there was some mention on another forum regarding the corrosiveness of the gel. The thought that it is highly corrosive was quickly debunked and I find it highly unlikely that any railroad would put something down that would damage steel rails and the rolling stock that rides on them. Given their age, I'm sure the units had some rust and deterioration but I'm guessing the purchaser took a second look at overall restoration costs. Basically these were really nothing more than cab cars at this point with prime movers and traction motors having been removed by LIRR 30 years ago.mcgrath618 wrote:This is incredibly sad. I would start a gofundme to purchase the FA 1 if it was up to me, but I think it's beyond saving at this point.A point was brought up to me that due to the years of carrying around the various liquids on the Gel Train, the frames on #s 615 & 622 were probably reduced to almost dust. A good chance why the deal to save them fell through.
Ben
glennk419 wrote:Sand (key ingredients in sandite) and water will rust out the body sheet metal. If it sat they rusted out. If you’ve ever seen a locomotive with rust around where the sand is located or comes out you’ll notice some rust on the sheet metal. It collects gets wet and slowly rusts it out.liftedjeep wrote:Ben, there was some mention on another forum regarding the corrosiveness of the gel. The thought that it is highly corrosive was quickly debunked and I find it highly unlikely that any railroad would put something down that would damage steel rails and the rolling stock that rides on them. Given their age, I'm sure the units had some rust and deterioration but I'm guessing the purchaser took a second look at overall restoration costs. Basically these were really nothing more than cab cars at this point with prime movers and traction motors having been removed by LIRR 30 years ago.mcgrath618 wrote:This is incredibly sad. I would start a gofundme to purchase the FA 1 if it was up to me, but I think it's beyond saving at this point.A point was brought up to me that due to the years of carrying around the various liquids on the Gel Train, the frames on #s 615 & 622 were probably reduced to almost dust. A good chance why the deal to save them fell through.
Ben
NorthPennLimited wrote:Did the Budd car (9001) ever get donated to a museum, or is that next after the ALCO gets cut up into pieces?9001 is reportedly on hold for Reading Technical. It was also the last active Silverliner II, serving as Overbrook's shop switcher well into 2013 (and possibly early 2014).
Tadman wrote:I would be open to hearing from a metallurgist, but the concept of salt or ice melt rusting railroad rails is not a thing. Rust usually happens when water is trapped and sits near thinner metals and can work over time. This is why the rust spots are usually toward the bottom of the body of a car or train, as water pools at the bottom and sits there and acts over time on the sheet steel.Frame rails on a locomotive, sure, but it would take a long time. Fatigue cracking is much more likely, which also increases the odds of corrosion dramatically (small fissures trap corrosive chemical mixtures like salt water and sulfur dioxide from exhaust, and they overwhelm the passivation provided by the chrome in stainless.) It also happens in railroad rails, starting with pitting & stress fractures and leading to spalling and catastrophic failures. No idea what Sandite contains, but unless there is a salt, caustic, or acidic ingredient, or it attracts moisture (is hygroscopic), it likely isn’t a major contributor to corrosion.
Think about rail - it's very thick and hard, and it sits on a surface specifically designed to drain water not just off the rail, but away from the ties and ballast as well.
Ergo the line of logic that sandite may or may not be made of a substance that rots rails doesn't have much to do with anything. It's awfully hard to do anything other than surface rust on rails.