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  by R36 Combine Coach
 
Does SEPTA get a reimbursement from Amtrak for each connecting transfer between 30th and Center City?
  by ExCon90
 
Yes, forget the trolley--the doors are narrow and the interior steps are steep. As to the Regional Rail fare, I don't know but can only assume it's the one-zone fare, whatever that is now.
  by BuddCar711
 
ExCon90 wrote:Yes, forget the trolley--the doors are narrow and the interior steps are steep. As to the Regional Rail fare, I don't know but can only assume it's the one-zone fare, whatever that is now.
Well the doors are narrow, but the steps are not steep. I have bad knees but I find it easier to board a K-car than a low-floor bus because the first step of a K-car is lower than the floor of the bus (even when the bus kneels). Hell I find it easier to board a N.J. Transit NABI than a New Flyer low floor. Anyhoo, back to railroading.
  by ExCon90
 
ExCon90 wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:03 am Historically, going back to PRR days, tickets to or from Philadelphia included the connecting trains to Suburban Station; when the Center City connection was opened under SEPTA that was extended to include Market East, as it was then called, and an Amtrak ticket stub was all you needed. Now that ticket stubs (and tickets) are things of the past I don't know how this is handled. In practice, what normally happened was that if you boarded a train at 30th St. terminating at Temple U (i.e. Roberts yard) or at Jefferson or Suburban terminating at 30th St. you would be asked for a ticket when boarding--otherwise tickets were not checked on board trains in Center City.

(Edit Sept. 16) In making that post I overlooked that SEPTA, in its frenzied pursuit of the last dime --at any cost--has installed barriers at all platforms in Center City. When they were being introduced they weren't staffed at all times, but they may be by now. They were still staffed to some extent anyway to deal with situations that weren't foreseen by the planners, but you had better plan on being asked to show some proof of payment to be admitted to a platform.

I haven't been in Center City at all recently--anybody know how it's done currently?
  by ryan92084
 
jamesinclair wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:50 pm I am planning a trip with someone who has mobility issues. They are arriving via Amtrak from the south. I will be waiting for them at the station, arriving via Trenton.

Their Amtrak ticket is supposed to entitle them to a free ride to Market East. So I want to know how much my ticket would be.

It is my recollection that the regional rail path of travel has more elevator/escalator options than the trolley.

I am also considering the independence ticket for my fare, but it is also incredibly confusing. It says theres a $5 up-charge to Trenton, but how and where is that paid if they arent accepting cash?
So you are going from Trenton to 30th street to meet your friend then back to Suburban? The correct cheapest cost would be a via ticket for $9.25 (9.00 on board due to a pricing glitch but with no on board cash i assume that isn't true anymore).

Independence pass would be $18 total. I don't know how they are handling the extra $5 sorry but unless Trenton station even sells the paper Independence pass anymore that won't even be an option I don't think.
  by jamesinclair
 
ryan92084 wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:38 am
jamesinclair wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:50 pm I am planning a trip with someone who has mobility issues. They are arriving via Amtrak from the south. I will be waiting for them at the station, arriving via Trenton.

Their Amtrak ticket is supposed to entitle them to a free ride to Market East. So I want to know how much my ticket would be.

It is my recollection that the regional rail path of travel has more elevator/escalator options than the trolley.

I am also considering the independence ticket for my fare, but it is also incredibly confusing. It says theres a $5 up-charge to Trenton, but how and where is that paid if they arent accepting cash?
So you are going from Trenton to 30th street to meet your friend then back to Suburban? The correct cheapest cost would be a via ticket for $9.25 (9.00 on board due to a pricing glitch but with no on board cash i assume that isn't true anymore).

Independence pass would be $18 total. I don't know how they are handling the extra $5 sorry but unless Trenton station even sells the paper Independence pass anymore that won't even be an option I don't think.
I saw on the website that since you cant pay cash on board, there is an exit fare machine downtown which charges less than the Trenton ticket office charges.

Customers who board a train without a fare who want to pay cash will now have to pay in Center City Before Exiting the Station

New EXIT ONLY Fare Kiosks are located at mezzanine or concourse level of the Center/City Station INSIDE the paid fare area
Weekday Exit Quick Trip - $6.75
Evening/Weekend Exit Quick Trip - $5.25

But my gosh the website is horrendous and this took awhile to find. Fare SHOULD NOT be this hard. In fact, it should be the clearest and easiest part of the process. Imagine if Amazon made you read through pages and pages of plain text to figure out how much something costs.
  by ryan92084
 
Good to know the exit only fares. They are not part of the official tariff provided and more of a temporary measure/pricing while the new system goes into full adoption as far as I understand them so that may be why they are so hidden.
The via ticket if available from Trenton station is still your cheapest option since it covers both legs of your journey. Unless you manage to dodge ticket check/stamp/collection and return the 30th to suburban ticket or intend to use other means of travel after 30th.
The whole pricing system was supposed to be updated in July but there have been some issues to say the least.
  by jamesinclair
 
ryan92084 wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:11 am Good to know the exit only fares. They are not part of the official tariff provided and more of a temporary measure/pricing while the new system goes into full adoption as far as I understand them so that may be why they are so hidden.
The via ticket if available from Trenton station is still your cheapest option since it covers both legs of your journey. Unless you manage to dodge ticket check/stamp/collection and return the 30th to suburban ticket or intend to use other means of travel after 30th.
The whole pricing system was supposed to be updated in July but there have been some issues to say the least.
Does the via/tunnel ticket allow me to exit the platform at 30th and re-enter it? Ive been to 30th many times - my friend never has, so it's easier for me to say "ill meet you by the customer service desk in the middle of the giant train hall" instead of trying to direct them to septa-land.
  by ExCon90
 
jamesinclair wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:46 pm

Customers who board a train without a fare who want to pay cash will now have to pay in Center City Before Exiting the Station
If there's no more cash on the trains does that mean if someone gets on at Devon without a ticket and wants to go to Ardmore there's no way they can pay a fare? What about Devon to Del Val College on the same train? Or Yardley, changing trains at Suburban?
  by CNJGeep
 
On board cash fare sales have been restored as of today. Prior to this, it was at the crew member's discretion.
  by ryan92084
 
jamesinclair wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:11 pm
Does the via/tunnel ticket allow me to exit the platform at 30th and re-enter it? Ive been to 30th many times - my friend never has, so it's easier for me to say "ill meet you by the customer service desk in the middle of the giant train hall" instead of trying to direct them to septa-land.
Yes, it allows you to ride two trains of different lines on the same day which is exactly what you'll be doing. You can take as much time between them as you'd like.
  by jamesinclair
 
ryan92084 wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:54 pm
jamesinclair wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:11 pm
Does the via/tunnel ticket allow me to exit the platform at 30th and re-enter it? Ive been to 30th many times - my friend never has, so it's easier for me to say "ill meet you by the customer service desk in the middle of the giant train hall" instead of trying to direct them to septa-land.
Yes, it allows you to ride two trains of different lines on the same day which is exactly what you'll be doing. You can take as much time between them as you'd like.
Excellent, that sounds like what Im looking for, unless someone knows how the independence pass works in regards to purchasing in Trenton and using it for the day
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