December 15 Schedules

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December 15 Schedules

Post by rcthompson04 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:57 am

http://www.septa.org/schedules/upcoming-rail.html#thr

I am curious what is the logic changing a train from 9553 to 7553 or 7363 to 9363. Is it a way of tracking what yard the equipment is coming from or going to?

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Re: December 15 Schedules

Post by ekt8750 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:43 pm

First digit indicates where the train originates/terminates. Three digit trains (and 4 digit ones that start with 0) originate/terminate on the standard paired branches. 9s originate/terminate at Roberts Yard (first/last stop Temple), 7s at one of end point yards on the Reading side and deadhead to/from Temple. So their change in numbers indicate a change their start or destination.

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Re: December 15 Schedules

Post by CNJGeep » Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:27 pm

rcthompson04 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:57 am
http://www.septa.org/schedules/upcoming-rail.html#thr

I am curious what is the logic changing a train from 9553 to 7553 or 7363 to 9363. Is it a way of tracking what yard the equipment is coming from or going to?
7 prefix with an odd number is Chestnut Hill East start
9 prefix with an odd number is Roberts start
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Re: December 15 Schedules

Post by rcthompson04 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:38 pm

CNJGeep wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:27 pm
rcthompson04 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:57 am
http://www.septa.org/schedules/upcoming-rail.html#thr

I am curious what is the logic changing a train from 9553 to 7553 or 7363 to 9363. Is it a way of tracking what yard the equipment is coming from or going to?
7 prefix with an odd number is Chestnut Hill East start
9 prefix with an odd number is Roberts start
Wayne Junction yard/shops?

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Re: December 15 Schedules

Post by CNJGeep » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:25 pm

Roberts is south of Wayne Junction station.

The two trains that two start and end at Wayne Electric do also have Roberts prefixes, though.

CHE Starts are trains that lay over in the yard midday.
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Re: December 15 Schedules

Post by expresstrain » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:51 pm

Can I ask a question of the SEPTA experts here? In a few Sundays, I will be travelling from a family visit leaving West Trenton going to the Philadelphia Airport.

I notice that the new SEPTA schedules have the southbound West Trenton trains arriving at Jefferson (and Temple and Suburban, for that matter) at exactly the same time. (4:50 pm in the case of the train I think I will be on.) Are these trains designed for an immediate transfer across the platform at Jefferson? Google Maps doesn't show it as a transfer, instead showing a 30-minute wait for the next airport train. But barring a delay, it would seem like both trains could arrive across from one another, BART-style, but I don't ride SEPTA, so I'd be curious what the usual practice is.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: December 15 Schedules

Post by redarrow5591 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:01 am

expresstrain wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:51 pm
Can I ask a question of the SEPTA experts here? In a few Sundays, I will be travelling from a family visit leaving West Trenton going to the Philadelphia Airport.

I notice that the new SEPTA schedules have the southbound West Trenton trains arriving at Jefferson (and Temple and Suburban, for that matter) at exactly the same time. (4:50 pm in the case of the train I think I will be on.) Are these trains designed for an immediate transfer across the platform at Jefferson? Google Maps doesn't show it as a transfer, instead showing a 30-minute wait for the next airport train. But barring a delay, it would seem like both trains could arrive across from one another, BART-style, but I don't ride SEPTA, so I'd be curious what the usual practice is.

Thanks in advance.
Typically no. The tracks are assigned based on final destination. In your case, your West Trenton (Neshaminy Line) train continues on the Harrisburg line to Malvern so the track assignment will be 4A. The Airpoort (regardless of origin) is 3B. My advice is to let the crew know that you are trying to make the 4.50 Airport train; if they aren't heavily delayed in route they will try to make the connection. Otherwise leave earlier.
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Re: December 15 Schedules - WTR to AIR weekend

Post by MACTRAXX » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:17 am

EXT: I looked at both the current West Trenton schedule and the Airport Schedule to see how this transfer
would work at Jefferson Station...The train that you plan to ride is #3537 from West Trenton which will run
through to Paoli and Malvern. This train and the Airport train that you would like to connect with both stop
in the B Section at JS right across the platform from one another.

#3537 from WTR is due at Temple University at 4:44 PM. Airport train #9451 begins at-and is due to leave Temple at 4:43 PM. Both trains are scheduled to leave Jefferson Station at 4:50 PM. What you can do is to
inform the WTR train crew of your intention and than be ready to get off as the train arrives at JS. #9451
has at least three minutes of layover time at JS - provided your WTR train is on time you should make this
tight connection...If the WTR train runs late the next airport train is 5:20 PM - operating from Warminster.
In this case - what time do you need to be at PHL by? What time is your plane scheduled to leave?

The fare from WTR to the Airport is $9.25 prepaid (a Anywhere via CCP one way ticket) or $10 on board.
Try to purchase legacy tickets in advance if possible - Quick Trip one way tickets bought from a ticket
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Re: December 15 Schedules

Post by MACTRAXX » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:24 am

redarrow5591 wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:01 am
expresstrain wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:51 pm
Can I ask a question of the SEPTA experts here? In a few Sundays, I will be travelling from a family visit leaving West Trenton going to the Philadelphia Airport.

I notice that the new SEPTA schedules have the southbound West Trenton trains arriving at Jefferson (and Temple and Suburban, for that matter) at exactly the same time. (4:50 pm in the case of the train I think I will be on.) Are these trains designed for an immediate transfer across the platform at Jefferson? Google Maps doesn't show it as a transfer, instead showing a 30-minute wait for the next airport train. But barring a delay, it would seem like both trains could arrive across from one another, BART-style, but I don't ride SEPTA, so I'd be curious what the usual practice is.

Thanks in advance.
Typically no. The tracks are assigned based on final destination. In your case, your West Trenton (Neshaminy Line) train continues on the Harrisburg line to Malvern so the track assignment will be 4A. The Airpoort (regardless of origin) is 3B. My advice is to let the crew know that you are trying to make the 4.50 Airport train; if they aren't heavily delayed in route they will try to make the connection. Otherwise leave earlier.
RA: Track 4 - Section *B* is where Malvern trains are scheduled from at Jefferson
Station. In this case these two trains WILL platform across from one another.

Trenton trains board from Track 4 in the A Section at both Jefferson and Suburban
Stations. This is to the west end of the same island platform at both stations.
Trenton trains operate hourly from Chestnut Hill East on weekends.

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Re: December 15 Schedules

Post by CNJGeep » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:12 pm

Trains can show up on 3 OR 4, but both in the B Section.

West Trenton is a dog on the weekends, good luck.
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Re: December 15 Schedules

Post by expresstrain » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:31 pm

Thanks to everyone for the very helpful info. To answer the question asked above, my flight isn't until 7:30 pm (I like to get to the airport really early to avoid stress) so even if I miss this connection, I will be fine. I was really just looking to avoid spending half an hour waiting on the platform.

Much appreciated!

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Re: December 15 Schedules

Post by andrewjw » Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:24 pm

I would expect you would have better luck at Suburban - don't they usually hold for close to five minutes there?

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Re: December 15 Schedules

Post by BuddCar711 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:19 am

CNJGeep wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:12 pm
West Trenton is a dog on the weekends, good luck.
Marcus Hook/Wilmington is also a dog on the weekends ever since the geniuses at SEPTA decided to pair that line up with Doylestown.

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Re: December 15 Schedules

Post by rcthompson04 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:32 am

BuddCar711 wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:19 am
CNJGeep wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:12 pm
West Trenton is a dog on the weekends, good luck.
Marcus Hook/Wilmington is also a dog on the weekends ever since the geniuses at SEPTA decided to pair that line up with Doylestown.
What was the rationale behind swapping the through train assignments on weekends? Keeping people on their toes and seeing how much chaos you can spread?

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Re: December 15 Schedules

Post by BuddCar711 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:02 pm

rcthompson04 wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:32 am
What was the rationale behind swapping the through train assignments on weekends? Keeping people on their toes and seeing how much chaos you can spread?
Possibly, but I do not understand the rationale of pairing the longest line on one side with the longest or 2nd longest line on the other side. It should always be longest to shortest and shortest to longest. SEPTA could make Cynwyd relevant again on the weekends and pair that up with Doylestown (it's only 3 more stops), otherwise make Doylestown stand alone on the weekends, but during the weekends i go to Wilmington, and it has been constantly late ever since.

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