Discussion relating to the past and present operations of the NYC Subway, PATH, and Staten Island Railway (SIRT).

Moderator: GirlOnTheTrain

  by Tommy Meehan
I've been looking for a PATH car roster that would include motor types (model, hp and tractive effort) and gross weights of the four (soon to be five) classes and two sub-classes (PA1 and PA2 without cabs!) of PATH's car fleet.

I found many rosters with numbering series and even names but no technical data.

Anyone know of a source? (Hopefully on-line?)


  by trackguy
FYI - There won't be 5 class of fleets eventually PA5 will replace entire fleet, all PA1, PA2, PA3 & PA4 will be decommissioned.

Hopefully following information could help you somewhat...

PATH has a fleet of 333 cars that are in active revenue service. There are 4 models: PA1, PA2, PA3 and PA4. PATH cars are 51 ft (15.5 m) long, with a width of approximately 9'-2 3/4" (2.8 m). They can achieve a maximum speed of 70 mph (112 km/h). Each car seats 35 passengers, on seats that line the sides of the cars.

PA1 / Year: 1965 / Saint Louis Car Company / painted aluminum / Car No. 100-151 ("C" cars)/600-709 ("A" cars) / Total No. of PA1: 158 / "A" cars have cab units, "C" cars-trailers have no cabs, 2 doors per side / 139, 143, and 612 are out of service, 694 is a work service car

PA2 / Year: 1966 / Saint Louis Car Company / painted aluminum / Car No. 152-181 ("C" cars)/710-723("A" cars) / Total No. of PA2: 43 / "A" cars have cab units, "C" cars-trailers have no cabs, 2 doors per side / 160 is out of service

PA3 / Year: 1972 / Hawker-Siddeley / painted aluminum / Car No. 724-769 / Total No. of PA3: 38 / All cab units, 2 doors per side / 726, 754, 761, 765, 768 are work service cars / 745, 750 are out of service

PA4 / Year: 1987 / Kawasaki Rail Car / Stainless steel / Car No. 800-894 / Total No. of PA4: 94 / All cab units, 3 doors per side / 845 is out of service

Notes: All PA1 through PA3 cars were general overhaul by Morrison Knudsen in the mid 1980s. Cars 139, 143, 160, 612, 745, 750, 845 were left under the World Trade Center on 9/11/01 and survived the collapse. They are currently stored out of service and stripped of usable parts.

The Port Authority awarded a $499 million contract to Kawasaki to design and build 340 new PATH cars (tentatively to be called the PA5), which will replace the system's entire aging fleet. With an average age of 33 years, the fleet is the oldest of any operating heavy rail line in the United States. The Port Authority announced that the new cars will be an updated version of MTA's R142A cars, which are currently in service on the New York City Subway's 4 and 6 lines. These new cars are expected to go into service starting later in 2008.
  by Tommy Meehan
Thanks trackguy. It's interesting.

But I'm still looking for the motor specs and weights. :(
  by tommyboy6181
To answer your question about the motors in the new PA5 cars, Kawasaki will be using Siemens for the AC motors in this contract, similar to some of the new R160 cars.
  by Tommy Meehan
Thanks tommyboy (I like your first name!) but basically I'm looking for PA1s and 2s info. Specifically the motor differences (if any) between the cab and cabless cars and their gross weights.