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 #212685  by Nilet Railroad
 
I have a few questions about the R62s. Thanks in advance
to anyone who answers.

1. I heard that all R62/62A sets came from the factory as sets, and that the apparent "cabs" in the B cars hold braking equipment. Is this right?

2. Some number of years ago, (5 or 6 maybe), I noticed that the
trains on my home line (the 1) rarely if ever had end signs
between cars. It would just be a blank black panel. To me, this
would suggest a set; the 68s had such the signs removed when
they were converted to sets. Thing is, they all had railfan
windows, and I thought only the singles did. I never bothered to
check car numbers back then. I'm guessing singles, but if I'm
wrong, don't hesitate to tell me.

As a side point, the 3 and 4 both had between-car signs. The 3
was singles, I'm sure, but the 4 was probably sets. Unless the
sets were converted former singles, I don't know why they would
have signs pressed between B cars.

3. I've heard that 62A singles have railfan windows and 62/62A
sets don't. Based on that: Several years ago, before the annoying
R142s (no offense to those who like them), R62A singles ran on
the 1/9, 3, and 6, with the 1/9 and 3 being operated exclusively
with those cars. (Although the singles on the 6 were cool. I rode
the City Hall loop on one, so I'll remember them!) Anyway, now
they're only on the 7, and most trains only have 6 singles. Were
any of them retired or converted to sets or work cars, or are
there so many more 7 trains that all the available singles were
used up, without fully stocking the line? Or, with a little luck,
would I still be able to find a railfan window on the 3? I want one
of those again. I haven't seen them for a year or so. Should I at
least watch for nonconsecutive numbering, suggesting singles
with a folded-out cab in front?

4. What rules/guidelines/policies/practices are there relating to
folding out the cabs on R62A singles? I wrote a story ages ago
(but still have it) which features one character at work as a t/o,
who folds out the cab so his friends can fit into it. I was 6 years
old when I wrote it, so I didn't know much about the subways
then, but I might as well ask: Is it simply up to the discretion of
the t/o? That doesn't seem right, since I'm guessing most of you
would rather have a transverse cab, if given a choice. If there is a
rule/guideline/policy about keeping the cab retracted, how
come? I'm guessing that the MTA wouldn't make such a rule for
the benefit of railfans and/or regular commuters who enjoy the
front window views! :)

I asked several t/os in the Flushing terminal on the 7, but got only conflicting or confusing answers.

Thanks from the new user for any answers, and thanks to anyone who read down this far. I know I tend to be far too wordy.

 #212865  by Robert Paniagua
 
4. What rules/guidelines/policies/practices are there relating to
folding out the cabs on R62A singles? I wrote a story ages ago
(but still have it) which features one character at work as a t/o,
who folds out the cab so his friends can fit into it. I was 6 years
old when I wrote it, so I didn't know much about the subways
then, but I might as well ask: Is it simply up to the discretion of
the t/o? That doesn't seem right, since I'm guessing most of you
would rather have a transverse cab, if given a choice. If there is a
rule/guideline/policy about keeping the cab retracted, how
come? I'm guessing that the MTA wouldn't make such a rule for
the benefit of railfans and/or regular commuters who enjoy the
front window views! :)


Maybe for the possible installation of ATO? That's probably why they may be expanding the cabs, but as long as the small window is unoccupied of any obstructions, you should be all right. I've see out front off the R62/R62A combo before and after the full cab conversion, and had no problems seeing out front after full cab conversion.

 #213098  by Nilet Railroad
 
Well... I've found that the small-window through-cab view is highly wanting in the tunnels, and somewhat wanting outside. Still, I was guessing that if an individual t/o could choose whether or not to expand the cab, he/she would expand it. (At least I would. Too bad I'm not a t/o. :( ) After all, it doesn't take THAT long to adjust the convertible cab on an R62 single, does it?

Oh, and ATO on the subway?! Last I heard, they just have OPTO on the L weekends, and want to expand it to all lines. ATO, I haven't heard of. Not on my system! We won't get ATO until most other cities have teleport systems!

 #216793  by F40
 
Motormen in general, I think would be happier with a full-width cab than with a broom closet. But that also means no front window. :(

On the 7 line, Flushing-bound trains have the small-window cab view because they run 11-car sets. (They switched the direction from years ago.)

 #217733  by 7 Train
 
#1-no. As delivered all cars were single. Between 1997-99 most cars were converted into 5-car sets.

#2-normally, the signs are set to blank if not on the leading car

#3-no R62A singles were ever converted into work service or retired. There are no more railfan windows on the 3.

#4-cabs typically are folded according to direction of travel. On the 7, the single cars at the north end (since 2004) alsways have the small cab.