Discussion relating to the past and present operations of the NYC Subway, PATH, and Staten Island Railway (SIRT).

Moderator: GirlOnTheTrain

  by JoeG
This morning the 7 line had another signal outage. I thought that the signals on this line were recently replaced with a new system. Is that true? Are the problems they are having teething problems of a new system, or is something else going on?

  by Yanks Rule
Where was the signal outage? They are laying the groundwork for CBTC. The current wayside system is still in place. I did notice new wayside signals north of Hunterspoint Ave recently. Judging by the way the L line CBTC project is going(months if not a few years behind schedule), the 7 line won't be finished for a few years.

  by 7 Train
The MTA Capital Program listing on the MTA site mentions 7 CTBC to be complete by 2007.

  by UN Block

The signal system on most of the Flushing Line dates from the late 1950s (contract S-60) except for the middle track from 33 St to 111 St which dates from 1938-9 (when it was originally signalled, for the World's Fair) and the portion from 111 St to Main St, which dates from 2002-3 (contract S-32702).

The work going on at Hunterspoint Av and Queensboro Plaza are just for the interlockings. A third project, also now under way, replaces the interlocking at 33 St and moves the interlocking from 69 St to 74 St. This is all traditional, relay-based interlockings with space in the respective relay rooms for CBTC equipment in the near (?) future. CBTC is the final phase of signal work for the Flushing Line.

  by JoeG
UN Block,

Are you saying the center track didn't have signals until the Worlds Fair?

  by UN Block

Yes, as far as I know, Flushing middle had no automatic block signals until the 1939 World's Fair. Don't forget that the middle track didn't have any regular service on it until that time.

  by JoeG
UN Block--
I didn't know this about the Flushing line. Are you saying that they built the line with a center track but omitted signals and didn't use it for expresses till 19 or so years later? Were Woodside and Junction Blvd built as express stations, or was the platform arrangement changed later? I wonder if that was true of any other line with a center track? There must be a story there!

  by UN Block

Yes, Woodside and Junction Ave (not Blvd way back then) were built as express stops.

Certainly the Jerome Ave Line middle track had no automatic signals until its resignalling in the 1970s. White Plains Rd, I believe, had no automatics on the middle track until 1955. Astoria Line had no automatics (and STILL doesn't, it only has a series of home signals!) until 1991.

I guess the story is simply that the IRT didn't pay for signalling on tracks that didn't have regular service at the time of construction.
  by Jeff Smith

Full release (government exception):
2015 Accomplishments Include Track Panel Replacements near 33 St, New Steinway Tunnel Infrastructure and Duct Bank

December 18th, 2015

The new year means new work for the Flushing 7 Subway Line that will require weekend service shutdowns between Manhattan and Queens. The necessary work in 2016 requires fewer shutdowns than in previous years as reconstruction progresses and improvement projects near completion. Most of the track panel replacement work scheduled for 2016 will be on the three-track segment of the line, which will not require full suspensions of service since the presence of three-tracks allows trains to safely bypass work zones. This means fewer significant disruptions while track panel replacement continues.

MTA New York City Transit (NYCT) has been making capital improvements on the 7 Subway Line over the past several years to increase the line’s capacity and reliability as ridership demand rises. Nearly every element of the line is being improved, from tracks through the replacement of entire panels of elevated tracks, to signals through the implementation of an updated communications-based train control system (CBTC), to the reconstruction and fortification of the storm-damaged Steinway Tunnel that links Queens and Manhattan.

The extensive nature of the work on the Flushing Line necessitates service shutdowns to allow crews to access and work on equipment that is critical to safe train operation. The subway system’s around-the-clock operation and record ridership, particularly on the 7 Subway Line, make it challenging to restrict work to times of low ridership. NYCT is aware of the inconvenience caused by such disruptions and therefore makes every effort to schedule work around major community events such as Lunar New Year celebrations. The 2016 schedule takes into account the 2016 Lunar New Year celebration in early February and the Mets’ home game schedule when there is extra demand for service.

“The growth of the Flushing Line matters greatly to the growth of Queens, and these projects are critical to the future of the line,” said James L. Ferrara, Interim President of New York City Transit. “Replacing old tracks means a smoother, faster ride for customers, and installing a modern signal system means less crowded and more reliable commutes. Improvements to any part of our infrastructure allows us to better serve all of our customers. This work may be a short-term inconvenience now, but every repair or improvement we make is a step toward a better Flushing Line and a more reliable subway system for all.”

The major projects on the Flushing Line include the implementation of CBTC, a modern signaling system that is scheduled for completion in 2017. This multi-year $774 million capital improvement project replaces the existing 50- to 90-year-old signal system and allows for trains to run more reliably and frequently, thereby increasing line capacity and preventing problems associated with old equipment. In 2015, crews continued to install new wayside equipment including signal equipment, antennas, radio units, transponders, fiber-optic distribution panels and cable, telephone cable, and cable distribution boxes. Software was tested and installed for use at the 1st Avenue Interlocking; maintainer panels and cable servers were installed; new signal equipment along the track right-of-way was tested, and additional signal locations were prepared for future equipment installation. Workers also installed new electrical conduits, performed circuit breaker repairs, and removed old cables and signal equipment.

In 2016, contractors will continue installing and testing CBTC equipment throughout the line. Much of the work in 2016 will involve the testing of installed equipment to prepare for the system’s 2017 launch. Once completed, the new system will interface with subway cars to allow for countdown clocks, increased operational flexibility and reliability, system safety improvements and increased capacity to run more trains per hour.

NYCT also is replacing segments of tracks on elevated portions of the 7 Subway Line that are reaching the end of their useful lifespan. In 2015, NYCT replaced tracks east of 33 St-Rawson St and at certain points between Queensboro Plaza and Flushing-Main St, primarily working on three-track segments of the elevated line. In 2016, NYCT will continue this work between 46 St-Bliss St and 52 St, and outside Flushing-Main St. Such work is part of the recurring maintenance of the subway system as NYCT periodically checks every mile of track on every line and replaces tracks nearing the end of their useful lives.

A major project affecting the Flushing Line that is scheduled for completion in 2016 is the reconstruction and fortification of the Steinway Tunnel, which was flooded by Superstorm Sandy’s record surge in October 2012. In 2015, crews continued to rebuild the tunnel’s deteriorated duct bank and bench walls, waterproofed the structure against future storms, replaced discharge lines with higher capacity pipes, raised drains and elevated pump rooms, replaced tracks and related infrastructure and other saltwater-damaged components, and built new supports for an emergency power generator. In 2016, crews are scheduled to complete the reconstruction of the duct bank, which will house new power and communications equipment for the 7 Subway Line. The completion of the Steinway Tunnel repairs will significantly reduce the need for future non-CBTC related service suspensions between Manhattan and Queens. The 121-year-old tunnel, however, is one of the oldest portions of the subway system and its narrow width cannot accommodate both trains and work crews, so any work in the tunnel necessitates service suspensions.

The 2016 schedule included below represents scheduled weekend service shutdowns of the 7 Subway Line between Queensboro Plaza and Times Sq-42 St in both directions. Shuttle service between Times Sq-42 St and 34 St-Hudson Yards will be provided. During these disruptions, customers should be aware of alternatives that may involve service diversions, station bypasses, back-riding or longer wait times. Free shuttle buses will make all stops at Queensboro Plaza, Court Sq, Hunters Point Av, and Vernon Blvd-Jackson Av. NYCT also will operate regular E G, and increase N Q Subway service between Queens and Manhattan on certain weekends.

This schedule is subject to change due to inclement weather, which prevents crews from working safely on exposed, elevated segments of the Flushing Line. In winter 2014-2015, snowy and icy conditions resulted in work cancellations, delaying construction progress and forcing the rescheduling of work weekends to later dates as availability allowed. As a result of unusually harsh weather conditions in early 2015, two weekends of service suspensions between Queens and Manhattan were added to the 2015 schedule, and a third has been added to the 2016 schedule
  by Jeff Smith
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Looks like we've passed the 10-year mark :(
NYCT replaces track, installs CBTC system on 7 Line

MTA New York City Transit (NYCT) is continuing work on a project to replace tracks and an aging fixed-block signal system on the Flushing Line, which carries 7 Line trains.

The agency is replacing both underground and elevated tracks and installing new signals for a communications-based train control (CBTC) system, agency officials said in a press release.

The CBTC system is expected to increase operational flexibility and allow additional trains to run consistently on the line.

"A safe, reliable Flushing Line is critical to the growth of Queens and these projects are critical to the future of the line," said NYCT Acting President Darryl Irick. "Replacing old tracks means a smoother, faster ride for customers, and installing a modern signal system means less crowded and more reliable commutes."
  by Head-end View
Being able to safely reduce spacing between trains will be a good thing for riders of the crowded #7 line as more trains will be able to run during rush-hours. But the phasing out of conventional signal aspects on the line will be another nail in the railfan's coffin. :(

Also the original posts above from 2006 (!) quote the MTA as saying the CBTC system would be complete on the Flushing Line by 2007! So now they're 10 years behind schedule? Un-frigging real! :(
  by Jeff Smith
That's why I love to dig up old topics for the history! It's not necro-posting, GotT!