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 #132968  by Majinvegeta
 
Are any new PATH Cars coming out in the near future?
 #133023  by Allan
 
There are plans for new cars to be built which will arrive starting in 2008.

www.panynj.gov/AboutthePortAuthority/PressCenter/
PressReleases/PressRelease/index.php?id=660
PORT AUTHORITY SELECTS CONTRACTOR TO BEGIN HISTORIC $809 MILLION PROGRAM TO REPLACE PATH RAIL CAR FLEET
Date: March 31, 2005
Press Release Number: 33-2005


New Cars Scheduled to be in Service Beginning in 2008


The Port Authority Board of Commissioners today approved the selection of a major rail car firm to design and build a new fleet of PATH cars as part of an $809 million program that is one of the largest single investments ever made by the bistate agency.

The Board, acting as the PATH Board of Directors, authorized the award of a $499 million contract to Kawasaki Rail Car Inc. to design and build 340 new PATH rail cars. The new cars will replace the system’s fleet, which averages 33 years of age and is the oldest in the nation. The cars will be assembled at the company’s Yonkers, N.Y., plant.

The award is part of an $809 million PATH modernization program that also includes car maintenance equipment, renovations to PATH’s Harrison Consolidated Maintenance Facility, and preliminary work on a new signal system. It is the largest single investment in the rapid transit system since the Port Authority acquired the Hudson and Manhattan Railroad in 1962.

New Jersey Acting Governor Richard J. Codey said, “New Jersey commuters have relied on PATH for more than 40 years to provide them with safe and efficient public transportation to work, school or recreation destinations in New Jersey and New York City. These new cars will feature new passenger amenities and will improve the reliability of the system.”

New York Governor George E. Pataki said, “Following the 9/11 attacks, all of us saw clearly the important role that PATH plays in the region’s transportation network. These new cars are part of our overall plan to provide commuters with a better PATH system, including the construction of the new World Trade Center Transportation Hub designed by Santiago Calatrava that will provide seamless connections between PATH, subways and ferry services.”

Port Authority Chairman Anthony R. Coscia said, “This is truly a historic day for the Port Authority and for the thousands of people in New York and New Jersey who rely on the region’s mass transit system each day to get to their destinations. These new cars are part of our multibillion-dollar program to upgrade PATH. During the past three years, we invested $566 million to rebuild the Exchange Place Station, the rail tunnels between New York and New Jersey, and the temporary World Trade Center PATH station. Beginning this summer, we will break ground for a $2 billion transportation hub at the World Trade Center site. These initiatives continue to advance the goals of the 10-year strategic plan that the Board approved last December by enhancing the mobility of people throughout the region.”

Port Authority Vice Chairman Charles A. Gargano said, “These upgrades are part of a much broader vision we have to integrate and enhance Lower Manhattan’s transportation network. In addition to the new rail cars, we will build a new PATH terminal on the World Trade Center site, upgrade the Fulton Street subway station and continue to develop plans for a one-seat ride that will link downtown Manhattan with John F. Kennedy International Airport.”

Port Authority Executive Director Kenneth J. Ringler Jr. said, “The purchase of new cars is an important component of our multibillion-dollar capital plan, which includes several other major projects that will maintain the region’s vitality. In addition to plans for the PATH system, we plan to invest millions to upgrade our region’s airports, to deepen the channels leading to our port facilities and to explore the possibility of replacing the Goethals Bridge to improve this critical link between New York and New Jersey.”

The new PATH cars will have improved lighting, air conditioning and heating; cantilevered seats with room underneath for passengers to store items; prerecorded station announcements; better signs; and three door sets on each side to allow for faster loading and unloading.

The Port Authority expects to have the first of the new PATH cars in service in late 2008. The entire fleet will be replaced by 2011.

The Port Authority will break ground this summer for a new World Trade Center Transportation Hub, which will include a permanent PATH terminal. The $2 billion project will for the first time connect PATH with ferry services and with New York City Transit subway lines to better interconnect the region’s mass transit system.

 #147305  by UpperHarlemLine4ever
 
You know I've read over and over the press releases about the new PATH cars and one thing that bothers me about them is the item that says they will have storage space under the seats for passengers to store items. This is the last thing that should be included in short haul (subway) rail cars in this day and age. This is something that terrorists could use to put a bomb in. Are these people for real? Who is advising these high paid honchos? It sure can't be someone in law enforcement. Hope that those storage racks are not installed.

 #147555  by arrow
 
I agree, the space below the seats is a potentially dangerous thing, however their intentions were all good when the design was made I'm sure. Because you can't have overhead luggage racks, the below the seat space sounded like a good idea. However, due to all the things that have happened recently I doubt they will be manufactured that way.

 #151554  by Terrapin Station
 
I dread the loss of the beloved railfan window on PATH :(
 #152670  by Head-end View
 
Amen to that Terrapin! The PATH from WTC to Newark and back is about the best hour of railroad sightseeing to be had anywhere in the NYC area. Between seeing thru the front window and the extra left side window next to it, those cars are the best !! And I will be very sorry when they're gone. :(

At least I've had 35 good years of riding them. :wink:
 #152749  by R142A
 
Head-end View wrote:Amen to that Terrapin! The PATH from WTC to Newark and back is about the best hour of railroad sightseeing to be had anywhere in the NYC area. Between seeing thru the front window and the extra left side window next to it, those cars are the best !! And I will be very sorry when they're gone. :(

At least I've had 35 good years of riding them. :wink:
Supposedly, the PA4's are still going to be around...

 #152788  by arrow
 
Yes, the PA-4s are not going anywhere for awhile.
 #153100  by Head-end View
 
Oh right ! I forgot about the PA-4's. Those cars were bought circa 1987 and they have 3 doors per side, unlike the previous classes that only had 2. Assuming that they last the usual 35 years, they should be around 'til at least the year 2020. But my guess is they will be bumped to Hoboken service when the new fleet arrives. That's what happened years ago to the K-class cars when the PA class arrived. :-D

 #153104  by arrow
 
Speaking of being bumped to Hoboken...

If the new cars will have a higher top speed they should be placed on the Newark-WTC line so that between Journal Sq and Harrison the train could go faster and cut some time off the trip. Keep the old cars on the other lines where the speed is not as important and is more than adequate now.

 #156259  by Silverliner II
 
Good to know they won't be getting rid of the PA-4's after all. That will give the PATH fleet quite an increase in fleet size.
 #177037  by communipaw
 
PORT AUTHORITY TO UNVEIL DESIGN OF NEW PATH CARS; DISCUSS EXTENSIVE INVESTMENTS TO UPGRADE SYSTEM
Date: October 18, 2005
Press Release Number: 119-2005

The Port Authority will unveil the design for its new fleet of 340 rail cars at a news conference at 11 a.m. on Wednesday, October 19. Agency officials also will discuss more than $3 billion in investments to upgrade the service provided by the 43-year-old rapid-transit system.

The news conference will be held on the concourse level of the Exchange Place PATH Station on Christopher Columbus Drive in Jersey City, N.J.

The cars are being designed and built by Kawasaki Rail Car Inc. under a $499 million contract.
www.panynj.gov/AboutthePortAuthority/PressCenter/
PressReleases/PressRelease/index.php?id=748

 #177058  by Irish Chieftain
 
The Port Authority, in a startling display of revisionism, wrote:the 43-year-old rapid-transit system
The first trains on the H&M ran in 1907, so it's more like 98 years old. Would anyone claim that, because NJT Rail went into business in 1981, that the "Hoboken Division" is a mere 24 years old??
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 #177078  by Silverliner II
 
Sounds like they didn't do their homework and realize that the line was there before PATH was created, eh?

 #178122  by EDM5970
 
Come on, guys. It isn't revisionist history. The "43 year" refererence points to a young PR person's incomplete grasp of PATH vs. H&M history. History tends to get forgotten (or not even taught) in corporate and/or government agency circles.

Consider the young second deputy assistant trainmaster trainee on Conrail some years ago, that looked at a track diagram and found a "triangle track' to turn the RB&B Circus train on. Not everyone is an old fart and knows all the history and terminology.