Port Authority advancing PATH extension to Newark Airport

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Re: Port Authority advancing PATH extension to Newark Airpor

Post by F40 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:00 pm

I am all for eliminating the EWR stop, with a better connection all under one roof at NWK. This also makes it mentally easier for the passengers. I am not a fan of the current project because it is still not a "one-seat" ride from WTC or Jersey City to the airport. It is hard to justify extending PATH for this purpose. What you mentioned makes more sense. Bring the train right to the airport along with NJT's & Amtrak's passengers to better justify the use of a heavy rail connection.
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Re: Port Authority advancing PATH extension to Newark Airpor

Post by GojiMet86 » Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:07 pm

In a fantasy world, I'd extend it via the ROW with a stop at South Street until around the area where South Ironbound ends and I-78 crosses over. It would then tunnel southeast directly into the airport, with stops at Terminals C, B, and A.

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Re: Port Authority advancing PATH extension to Newark Airpor

Post by BlendedBreak » Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:39 pm

F40 wrote:I am all for eliminating the EWR stop, with a better connection all under one roof at NWK. This also makes it mentally easier for the passengers. I am not a fan of the current project because it is still not a "one-seat" ride from WTC or Jersey City to the airport. It is hard to justify extending PATH for this purpose. What you mentioned makes more sense. Bring the train right to the airport along with NJT's & Amtrak's passengers to better justify the use of a heavy rail connection.
Because who doesn't want to see, hear, and smell, the local homeless population of downtown Newark NJ? ?

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Re: Port Authority advancing PATH extension to Newark Airpor

Post by F40 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:47 am

BlendedBreak wrote:Because who doesn't want to see, hear, and smell, the local homeless population of downtown Newark NJ??
I was going toward a famous saying. However, instead of going there, mentally speaking, passengers always do a double take that there is a separate stop for the airport. The crew on NJT repeats the announcements eight times each trip. The stop slows traffic on the Corridor. It was not wise to build a whole new station on the ROW for a monorail which is now defunct. But since it exists, why not build PATH to a no-man's land terminus serving only a few airport passengers?
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Re: Port Authority advancing PATH extension to Newark Airpor

Post by Hawaiitiki » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:03 am

Well, despite some glaring flaws, it appears like this will get built. Funding just approved unanimously by PA board.

http://www.nj.com/traffic/index.ssf/201 ... _plan.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The plan retains $1.7 billion to extend the PATH to Newark Airport and about $1.5 billion to build a rail link between LaGuardia Airport and the No. 7 subway line. Funding for various New York airport improvements supported by New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is in the plan.
Like many projects that get built, there are often more pressing issues, but at least this is something that should get built, albeit not necessarily before gateway.

Also, interestingly, no notes in any of these articles about reconstructing the Airtrain at Newark. Is that funding already committed? The EWR airtrain can't handle the capacity now, throw in rapid transit, and it could be a catastrophe.
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Re: Port Authority advancing PATH extension to Newark Airpor

Post by Don31 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:47 am

Hawaiitiki wrote: The EWR airtrain can't handle the capacity now, throw in rapid transit, and it could be a catastrophe.
Its not just a question of capacity, the AirTrain is at the end of its design life....
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Re: Port Authority advancing PATH extension to Newark Airpor

Post by Marv95 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:46 am

https://www.rlsmedia.com/article/former ... on-village" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An added stop on Haynes Ave with a transit village proposed back in the spring is closer to reality it appears. Personally instead of wasting money on a PATH extension a brand new momorail system between NPS and EWR w/stops in between should be put in place.

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Re: Port Authority advancing PATH extension to Newark Airpor

Post by michaelk » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:57 pm

Hawaiitiki wrote:Well, despite some glaring flaws, it appears like this will get built. Funding just approved unanimously by PA board.

http://www.nj.com/traffic/index.ssf/201 ... _plan.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The plan retains $1.7 billion to extend the PATH to Newark Airport and about $1.5 billion to build a rail link between LaGuardia Airport and the No. 7 subway line. Funding for various New York airport improvements supported by New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is in the plan.
Like many projects that get built, there are often more pressing issues, but at least this is something that should get built, albeit not necessarily before gateway.

Also, interestingly, no notes in any of these articles about reconstructing the Airtrain at Newark. Is that funding already committed? The EWR airtrain can't handle the capacity now, throw in rapid transit, and it could be a catastrophe.

Anyone have a link to what's the current plan? just extend the path from Newark Penn to the NEC EWR stop? Or is it going to stop by the terminals or in a crazy world replace the monorail too?

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Re: Port Authority advancing PATH extension to Newark Airpor

Post by Don31 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:38 pm

It will terminate at the NEC station
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Re: Port Authority advancing PATH extension to Newark Airpor

Post by EuroStar » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:10 am

The scoping comments are being accepted now. Here is the list of documents describing what is going on right now: http://www.panynj.gov/path/path-extensi ... ments.html. If you care to comment, there is an in-person comment meeting tomorrow and you can also submit comments by mail or email (see addresses in documents).

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Re: Port Authority advancing PATH extension to Newark Airpor

Post by Tom V » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:43 pm

Don31 wrote:
Hawaiitiki wrote: The EWR airtrain can't handle the capacity now, throw in rapid transit, and it could be a catastrophe.
Its not just a question of capacity, the AirTrain is at the end of its design life....
Included in the funding for the new Terminal One bend built at EWR is funding for the construction of 42 footings for a new Airtrain system.

https://corpinfo.panynj.gov/documents/N ... velopment/

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Re: Port Authority advancing PATH extension to Newark Airport

Post by Hawaiitiki » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:06 am

Don31 wrote: Included in the funding for the new Terminal One bend built at EWR is funding for the construction of 42 footings for a new Airtrain system.

https://corpinfo.panynj.gov/documents/N ... velopment/
Was just at Newark yesterday (and on an Airtrain that got stuck for 10 min) and it brought me back to this thread. The attached powerpoint actually only says "Design and Construct 42 AirTrain footings", not necessarily NEW AirTrain. It is absurd how little has been shared (considering the PortAuthority is funded by your tolls and taxes) about the Newark Airport Airtrain replacement, considering all accounts are saying the current system has already passed its design life, is already over-capacity, has shutdown multiple-times for repairs, and was orginally designed for theme-parks in tropical climates.

Have there been any press releases or designs released? I've read press releases about 2 billion dollars committed and a late 2020 construction start but absolutely nothing about design or implementation.
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Re: Port Authority advancing PATH extension to Newark Airport

Post by Don31 » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:29 am

Hawaiitiki wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:06 am

It is absurd how little has been shared (considering the PortAuthority is funded by your tolls and taxes)
Minor clarification -- the PA isn't funded by taxes, but rather by bonds backed by toll revenue (for the most part anyway)....
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