Discussion relating to the operations of MTA MetroNorth Railroad including west of Hudson operations and discussion of CtDOT sponsored rail operations such as Shore Line East and the Springfield to New Haven Hartford Line

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  by IrideNHline
 
Was on a NH line train home last week during some of the rain and encountered an emergency stop due to wheel slippage. It was kinda fun.
  by FL9AC
 
Not for the crews ;)....
  by RearOfSignal
 
IrideNHline wrote:Was on a NH line train home last week during some of the rain and encountered an emergency stop due to wheel slippage. It was kinda fun.
It's not fun when you're already in emergency and sliding towards a stop signal.
  by andre
 
Otto Vondrak wrote:
Patrick A. wrote:How has the slip/slide conditions been on the territory this year? On the New Haven Line it looks like the leaves haven't impacted travel much as none of my trains have had any trouble.
My train has consistently overshot stations between Harrison and Stamford over the last week or so.

Cut some trees back from the ROW and you won't have this problem create such an impact on operations. Oh wait, MN can't/won't spare crews to go out and cut trees. Never mind.

-otto-
oh come on otto we both know that if mn did the logical all the nimbys would complain about the noise of chain saws and the treehuggers would be out in droves protesting :wink: :wink:

but on a serious note: the slipping hasnt been so bad on the danbury branch from what I noticed, the crews have been doing a great job coping with it, iv noticed that the engineer may start slowing the train earlier before a station stop then normally would be done in the summer/spring time
  by RearOfSignal
 
Otto Vondrak wrote: My train has consistently overshot stations between Harrison and Stamford over the last week or so.

Cut some trees back from the ROW and you won't have this problem create such an impact on operations. Oh wait, MN can't/won't spare crews to go out and cut trees. Never mind.

-otto-
First off MNR doesn't cut down trees they hire contractors to do it. Don't know about the NY portion of the New Haven Line, but you'll regularly see Asplundh track cars on the ROW on the H&H.
  by DutchRailnut
 
correct and once a tree is off railroad property we can't touch it, having 150 foot maples next to right of way and 50 feet from nearest rail will still dump loads of leaf on rails.
  by Otto Vondrak
 
DutchRailnut wrote:correct and once a tree is off railroad property we can't touch it, having 150 foot maples next to right of way and 50 feet from nearest rail will still dump loads of leaf on rails.
But doesn't the width of the railroad ROW vary? Can't end right at the edge of the ballast... Can it?
  by DutchRailnut
 
no most right of way is either 50 or 35 foot from nearest rail
  by Patrick A.
 
How often does Waterworld clean up the New Haven main?
  by DutchRailnut
 
every night on weekdays sometimes extra on weekends.
  by Ridgefielder
 
Otto Vondrak wrote:
Patrick A. wrote:How has the slip/slide conditions been on the territory this year? On the New Haven Line it looks like the leaves haven't impacted travel much as none of my trains have had any trouble.
My train has consistently overshot stations between Harrison and Stamford over the last week or so.

Cut some trees back from the ROW and you won't have this problem create such an impact on operations. Oh wait, MN can't/won't spare crews to go out and cut trees. Never mind.

-otto-
Good luck trying that on the Danbury-- you'd have to deforest the entire hillside above Branchville before you'd make a dent on the leaves! :-D
  by Clean Cab
 
This past week the slip/slide was pretty bad due to the high winds, leafs on the rails and light rain. It was a bit worse during the PM rush than the AM rush on days like Wednesday and Thursday (11/17, 11/18).

MN does its best to combat this annual problem. They issue special operating instructions and do try to keep the rails clean with rail scrubbers and their "Water World" train. But that only helps so much. Most engineers just accept the fact that there will be some very slippery locations and try their best to keep their trains under control.
  by twropr
 
I rode the EL M&E several times between 1964 and 1973. I don't ever remember their MU's having a problem with leaves - they would charge us the 2% grade from Short Hills to Summit (or the eastbounds make their descent) completely unhindered. Occasionally when I would get off an MU at Broad St. Newark I would smell burning leaves and see some smoke coming from the brake shoes. Back in those days the NH had the washboard and olive drap MU's, which no doubt, had cast iron brake shoes like the old Lackawanna MU's.

Andy
  by SwingMan
 
Hasn't anyone heard of what happened when Helena had most of the brush removed along the LIRR? Most of it has already grown back, but I don't think you can say the same for the budget..
  by Clean Cab
 
twropr wrote:I rode the EL M&E several times between 1964 and 1973. I don't ever remember their MU's having a problem with leaves - they would charge us the 2% grade from Short Hills to Summit (or the eastbounds make their descent) completely unhindered. Occasionally when I would get off an MU at Broad St. Newark I would smell burning leaves and see some smoke coming from the brake shoes. Back in those days the NH had the washboard and olive drap MU's, which no doubt, had cast iron brake shoes like the old Lackawanna MU's.

Andy

Keep in mind that the MUs used by MNRR are considered lightweight cars as compared to MU cars from the 1930's, 40's, 60's & 70's. Less weight on the wheels, less traction.