Discussion relating to the operations of MTA MetroNorth Railroad including west of Hudson operations and discussion of CtDOT sponsored rail operations such as Shore Line East and the Springfield to New Haven Hartford Line

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  by Clean Cab
 
Starting in early April, the NJT/MNR football trains will start running on weekends to allow those MN crews who qualified from CP 216 to Penn Station a chance to refamiliarize themselves with the equpiment and territory and renew their quailifications. The trains will only operate from Penn Station to New Rochelle.
  by Otto Vondrak
 
You mean the qaulification runs will only go to New Rochelle, or the regular service will only go to New Rochelle?

-otto-
  by Nasadowsk
 
Otto Vondrak wrote:You mean the qaulification runs will only go to New Rochelle, or the regular service will only go to New Rochelle?

-otto-

I'd imagine just the requal trains - I'd imagine the crews know the New Haven line already ;)
  by Noel Weaver
 
This is all the more reason that I think this operation is a waste of money when they do not have the money to do the
necessary imporovements in Connecticut and they have been talking about cuts in existing service. Worry about football
trains and the hell with the regular passengers, doesn't make sense to me.
Noel Wever
  by Clean Cab
 
Only the "Training Trains" will operate only between Penn Station and New Rochelle. Once the football season begins, one train will run from New Haven to Penn Station In the morning making the same stops as last season and one train will run from Penn Station to New Haven in the afternoon/evening also making the same stops as last season.
  by Otto Vondrak
 
Noel Weaver wrote:This is all the more reason that I think this operation is a waste of money when they do not have the money to do the necessary imporovements in Connecticut and they have been talking about cuts in existing service...
I'm fairly certain these trains are paid for out of a separate budget, and cutting them won't help CDOT's bottom line. I could be wrong, I thought we mentioned this elsewhere.
  by Steamboat Willie
 
This is just my opinion, but I feel this all has a deeper meaning. The football service is just scratching the surface. The deeper meaning is to leave the door open to have guys qualified into NYP for the sake of thru service or equipment moves. A few guys who came from Amtrak that hired out in engine service, one is being groomed to be a road foreman and the other to be a D/SLE.

I think this will be the last year they run football service, but they will continue to have guys qualified on that leg of territory. That's where my money is on currently.
  by Clean Cab
 
These trains were fully funded for two years in 2009, so cutting back on the number of trains instead of eliminating all trains makes more sence. I agree with those that have said that this program is a way to get MN crews qualified into Penn Station. This way in a few years M8 trains can start operating the long hoped for "one seat" ride from New Haven/Old Saybrook to Penn Station.
  by andegold
 
Are there any Amtrak regionals that originate in New York and only go as far as New Haven? Could MN/CDOT take over slots to Penn from the East similar to the way NJT took over the Clocker slots?
  by Noel Weaver
 
To answer the last two questions first there is a one seat ride available from New London, Old Saybrook and New Haven to
and from Penn Station and beyond, it is called AMTRAK.
Second there are no Amtrak trains west of New Haven that either originate or terminate in New Haven.
Noel Weaver
  by andegold
 
Noel, there is a one seat ride for commuters from Hew haven and beyond and yes, that is the market I was addressing based on where this thread is going, however, the concept of the football train is for a one seat ride to Seacaucus Transfer and later one-seat to the stadium itself. Amtrak does not, should not, and liekly never will stop at Secaucus and I am fairly certain will never, under any circumstances other than a superbowl charter, travel the loop to the stadium.
  by Clean Cab
 
Noel Weaver wrote:To answer the last two questions first there is a one seat ride available from New London, Old Saybrook and New Haven to
and from Penn Station and beyond, it is called AMTRAK.
Second there are no Amtrak trains west of New Haven that either originate or terminate in New Haven.
Noel Weaver
That may be true. But how many Amtrak trains make stops at Westport, Fairfield, South Norwalk and so on?
  by R36 Combine Coach
 
andegold wrote:Are there any Amtrak regionals that originate in New York and only go as far as New Haven? Could MN/CDOT take over slots to Penn from the East similar to the way NJT took over the Clocker slots?
No, all Regionals originate and terminate at Washington Union Station (except one at 30 Street).
  by checkthedoorlight
 
A179, A2190, A2193 are BOS-NYP only. A179 needs to have its engine run around the train at NYP and then go to SSY via Line 2 & Sub 1 (and then have the engine run around the train a second time once in SSY) in order to get the train oriented correctly again. I never got why they don't just leave it in NYP overnight to have it run as the next morning's A111.......(once in SSY, A179 normally turns to A185)

Before NHV-BOS was energized, it was more common for Amtrak trains to terminate in New Haven.

Keep in mind that due to MNRR's non-competition rules, a NYP-NHV train would only serve a very small market (those going to/from NYP from stops along the New Haven line) and unless it was meeting a Springfield shuttle in New Haven, would have very low ridership.
  by Clean Cab
 
Trains start rolling tomorrow (4/3)!! The weather will be great, so get out and snap a few pictures.
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