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 #19921  by Zaphod
 
Anyone heard anything about biodiesel under consideration for the T? Too expensive to do a conversion, even if there is a savings in the long term?

 #20066  by typesix
 
Natural gas is the direction the T is heading with the new buses for areas with a lot of pollution problems.

 #20116  by jwhite07
 
Natural gas is the direction the T is heading with the new buses for areas with a lot of pollution problems.
And low-sulfur diesel for everything else (Zero-series RTS, the upcoming Neoplan diesel order, and Commuter Rail locomotives). Apparently the idea of biodiesel has been shelved, for the moment at least.

 #20121  by jwhite07
 
Natural gas is the direction the T is heading with the new buses for areas with a lot of pollution problems.
And low-sulfur diesel for everything else (Zero-series RTS, the upcoming Neoplan diesel order, and Commuter Rail locomotives). Apparently the idea of biodiesel has been shelved, for the moment at least.

 #20147  by octr202
 
I heard recently that biodiesel isn't nearly as good an alternative fuel from an emissions standpoint. I can't remember which one, but basically it reduces one type of gas emission while dramatically increasing another.

 #21373  by P2c3689
 
How does the other fuel alternative on renewability?

Does creation of the other product produce oxygen gas we can breath?

Just things to think about.

Trevor H.

 #21832  by trainhq
 
CNG buses produce considerably less Nitrous Oxides, CO and CO2 than
gasoline. However, they have a problem in that when you refuel natural
gas vehicles, you leak methane into the atmosphere, which is an extremely heat-absorbent molecule, much more so than CO2. This means
that CNG powered vehicles are actually worse for global warming than
diesel, surprisingly enough.

In the long run, hydrogen is the real answer in fuel cells.
During the transition period, it can be mixed with natural gas and burned directly as fuel, with appropriate carburetion adjustments.

 #22009  by mharter
 
The only problem is finding the hydrogen, they haven't solved that one yet and there is no technology to do so on the horizon. The only way to produce hydrogen involves the use of natural gas or oil. What would be really cool is if instead of generating the electricity from fuel stored on the vehicle, they could get it from overhead wires. It would be a lot more efficient.

Matt