• New Coaches to replace all existing single active coaches

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Discussion relating to commuter rail, light rail, and subway operations of the MBTA.

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  by trains18
 
Anyone know if this is just the mbb's the 1500 series or the bombardiers too the 1600 series. Future Order for New Coaches:
The MBTA anticipates issuing an RFP later in 2019 for 180-220 new bi-level cars which would replace all existing active single level cars. The MBTA issued a Request for Information in February 2019 to get feedback from potential manufacturers before issuing a formal Request for Proposals (RFP)
  by Trinnau
 
It says to replace all of them. 200s, 300s, 500s, 600s, 1500s, 1600s. According to the roster on http://www.transithistory.org/roster/ there were a total of 274 single-levels among the various types at one time. But with a handful scrapped and most of the 500s retired, a number around 200 makes sense. If you consider that a bi-level is about 150% capacity of a single-level, a 1-for-1 replacement will provide the MBTA with increased seating capacity.
  by Backshophoss
 
If there's Federal $$$$ involved CRRC is OUT,BBD has QC issues,ROTEM as sailed back to japan,along with Nippon- Sharyo.
Kawasaki is booked solid right now. Siemens is also booked solid with the Caltrain/Midwest fleet and Amtrak's Charger order and VIA's corridor order.
Very slim pickings right now.
  by trains18
 
Backshophoss wrote:If there's Federal $$$$ involved CRRC is OUT,BBD has QC issues,ROTEM as sailed back to japan,along with Nippon- Sharyo.
Kawasaki is booked solid right now. Siemens is also booked solid with the Caltrain/Midwest fleet and Amtrak's Charger order and VIA's corridor order.
Very slim pickings right now.
It's going to be at least 2-4 years before the single level coaches will be completely replaced, knowing that the RFP wont happen until late fall/early winter if they can find and approve a contract with a company that isn't rotem. Kawasaki is good. What is QC stand for?
  by RenegadeMonster
 
This is really good news if true.

While we wont see any new coaches in service for at least 5 years likely, its a very good step in the right direction.
  by BostonUrbEx
 
Between dwell time increases and lack of accessibility through the train for all, the MBTA should stick to its original plan of not ordering more bi-levels and just order more single levels. Wide 2x2 seating, while they're at it.
  by RenegadeMonster
 
I don't think that has been their plan for quite some time to order any more single level coaches, especially wide 2x2 seating ones. It was very clear to me when I spoke to Keolis Management last year that going forward, only Bi-level coaches would be ordered.
  by nomis
 
There’s no reason why a Bombardier MLV-III for the MBtA isn’t a good fit. Third iteration of a proven design with hundreds of trailers and cab cars in New Jersey, Maryland/DC and Canada. The seat count isn’t as much as a Kawasaki or Rotem Coach, but ordering off of what will be a tooled production line already will probably be the cheapest option.
  by chrisf
 
nomis wrote:There’s no reason why a Bombardier MLV-III for the MBtA isn’t a good fit. Third iteration of a proven design with hundreds of trailers and cab cars in New Jersey, Maryland/DC and Canada. The seat count isn’t as much as a Kawasaki or Rotem Coach, but ordering off of what will be a tooled production line already will probably be the cheapest option.
The Bombardier MLV coaches seat only about 20 passengers more than the existing Bombardier single level coaches, which are about 50 seats short of the Kawasaki/Rotem cars. MBTA desperately needs more capacity, so unless they’re going to buy more coaches and run longer trains the Bombardier MLVs don’t sound like the right option, although they do add quite a few seats over the 500/1500 series cars.
  by Backshophoss
 
The "given" is MN,LIRR,and ConnDOT will order the BBD ML-II's with thier cab cars setup their Airbrake/ASC/ACSES systems
MBTA should order the same,BUT lay off the custom options to be added to the cars,follow the combined spec for the cars
as MARC did, KEEP it simple,PLEASE!!
And figure on a complete "nut/bolt/wire" inspection before the testing the cars after delivery to BET. :wink:
  by NH2060
 
There's absolutely no reason why the T should order the BBD MLVs. The current design -which has been in use for almost 30 years on the Commuter Rail, mind you- has clearly worked well enough for the T to continue ordering more batches every X amount of years. Since they carry more passengers than the BBD cars and the CR network doesn't have the loading gauge restrictions that the NYC commuter rails have it just makes sense for them to buy more of the same (only from Kawasaki like they should have done last time :wink: )
  by MBTA3247
 
BostonUrbEx wrote:Between dwell time increases and lack of accessibility through the train for all, the MBTA should stick to its original plan of not ordering more bi-levels and just order more single levels. Wide 2x2 seating, while they're at it.
The only MBTA plan I'm familiar with that sounds anything like that was to not order more bi-levels from Rotem. Buying more flats would be absolute insanity in the face of the system's ongoing ridership growth.