Does anyone know the status of the work to double track the Worcester/Framingham line in Beacon Yard? Will this happen?
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harshaw wrote:Does anyone know the status of the work to double track the Worcester/Framingham line in Beacon Yard? Will this happen?Low-priority since it makes almost zero difference to current schedules. There are already interlockings on both sides of Beacon Park separated by less than a mile so the trains clear that single-iron faster than any conceivable headway density to Framingham or Worcester today. And because of the near-total lack of crossovers west to Framingham that puts a severe cap on service density to begin with. Fixing this doesn't increase capacity; that can only be done if they spend the $100M+ to re-signal out to Framingham with a bunch of additional crossover installations. Hence, the low priority.
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:Outbounds often hold at Cottage Farm...I would think this double track would help if the inbound was skipping Newtonharshaw wrote:Does anyone know the status of the work to double track the Worcester/Framingham line in Beacon Yard? Will this happen?Low-priority since it makes almost zero difference to current schedules. There are already interlockings on both sides of Beacon Park separated by less than a mile so the trains clear that single-iron faster than any conceivable headway density to Framingham or Worcester today. And because of the near-total lack of crossovers west to Framingham that puts a severe cap on service density to begin with. Fixing this doesn't increase capacity; that can only be done if they spend the $100M+ to re-signal out to Framingham with a bunch of additional crossover installations. Hence, the low priority.
They cleaned up some of the area and poured some foundations for new signal heads at CP3 last year. So it's not backburnered per se, but they're in no rush. That's a cheapie "when you've got free time on your hands" job for the track gangs. And recovery from this winter is not going to leave much free time on their hands, so wouldn't expect any activity this year.
Bramdeisroberts wrote:Now that CSX is gone, is there any reason why the T can't shoehorn in full-highs? It should be doable if they're not afraid of pushing straight to the edges of the ROW, and 2-platform service through Newton to Riverside will be a must for any indigo service on that line.Natick has a full-high island in final design and got all its public input last year, so yes...the clearance route restriction has been formally dropped by CSX at all stops east of Framingham Jct. (and potentially Framingham itself if they snaked a freight passing track on the grass behind the station). But even Natick isn't funded yet for construction, so until that happens the approved final design is just going in a file cabinet.
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:-- Natick: design is final. Island w/ramp egress. And direct platform access to the trail that's going on the ex-Saxonville Branch if they can ever resolve the stalled purchase negotiation with CSX for the ROW. The renderings look pretty nice...clean and functional without being too opulent. Leaves room for a 3rd passing track on the current outbound platform side in case that's ever needed.How would a full-high island platform have direct access to the Saxonville Branch trail?
MBTA3247 wrote:The egresses. The island is going to shift the platforms a little bit west so they span the Spring St.-Main St. block instead of just the Main-Washington block. Spring gets a new pedestrian bridge replacing the closed/condemned one and the Middlesex Ave. side of Spring gets a complete do-over from dirt road into considerably more attractive access point. Both extreme ends of the platform would have egresses: one up to Main, one up to that rebuilt Spring overpass. The rail trail would ramp up to street level...hang a left at the path's terminus to ramp up behind Pizza Plus to the Main/North crosswalk directly across the street from that station entrance, hang a right at its terminus to snake behind the autobody shop and reach Spring at the ped bridge for that station entrance. The Spring path entrance would be the full grade-separated path access point for bikes, the Main entrance the "popular" one that traps the most foot traffic. Path ramps would also allow for grade separated access spanning the Spring-Main block, since Middlesex only has sidewalks on one side of the street.F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:-- Natick: design is final. Island w/ramp egress. And direct platform access to the trail that's going on the ex-Saxonville Branch if they can ever resolve the stalled purchase negotiation with CSX for the ROW. The renderings look pretty nice...clean and functional without being too opulent. Leaves room for a 3rd passing track on the current outbound platform side in case that's ever needed.How would a full-high island platform have direct access to the Saxonville Branch trail?
Rockingham Racer wrote:Operationally, single platforms at stations in two track territory are more limiting than the lack of interlockings. I think we've been through this with the Lawrence situation. And since all three of the stations in question are between CP 4 and 11, I doubt another pair of crossovers--let alone a couple of pairs--is going to improve movements through the area as long as a train has to stop at one of them. Skipping the three stops will, though.Imagine this scenario: it's evening rush hour, and an inbound local with 10 people on board is approaching Newton (Newton Corner - hotel over the Pike), while a Worcester express with 1600 souls is leaving Yawkey. They're probably going to delay the Worcester train for 5+ minutes at Cottage Farm (aka BU Bridge - east of Beacon Park) because it needs to switch tracks twice, while the Boston local is on the right track.
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:I don't think they can do islands in West Newton or Newtonville. Adding the second "outbound/westbound" platform would be trivial for any of these three stops; No elevators needed, just gentle ramps and stairs. So I think two side platforms would be a cheaper and better solution for these three stations.Bramdeisroberts wrote:Now that CSX is gone, is there any reason why the T can't shoehorn in full-highs? It should be doable if they're not afraid of pushing straight to the edges of the ROW, and 2-platform service through Newton to Riverside will be a must for any indigo service on that line....The Newton trio is obviously going to be the most expensive retrofits out to West Natick/Framingham because of the ADA-required ramps that would have to be built down from the overpasses. Platforms themselves wouldn't be too bad. They'd do standard islands and spread the tracks by plopping the inbound track down over the old platform to create the room. That would be the much preferable way to do it vs. side platforms because it would only require single egress ramps instead of pairs, and would insulate the platform further away from Pike road spray. Since any curves (Auburndale probably the only one that wouldn't be able to be positioned at some tangent midpoint) are slight they wouldn't have to be uniquely engineered like Yawkey, and thus the expense isn't too extreme. But until they have money to pay the going rate it's going to be a struggle.
BandA wrote:The proximity to the Pike is problematic if you're raising those platforms to 48". They already get too much road spray raining over what passes for "shelter", which only gets worse when raising the platforms +4 feet. The Pike loses its breakdown lane in front of each stop which already doesn't help the proximity to road traffic, and further complicates constructing a taller sound/spray wall between highway and platform when there's no breakdown lane buffer cushioning the fence against vehicle crashes.F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:I don't think they can do islands in West Newton or Newtonville. Adding the second "outbound/westbound" platform would be trivial for any of these three stops; No elevators needed, just gentle ramps and stairs. So I think two side platforms would be a cheaper and better solution for these three stations.Bramdeisroberts wrote:Now that CSX is gone, is there any reason why the T can't shoehorn in full-highs? It should be doable if they're not afraid of pushing straight to the edges of the ROW, and 2-platform service through Newton to Riverside will be a must for any indigo service on that line....The Newton trio is obviously going to be the most expensive retrofits out to West Natick/Framingham because of the ADA-required ramps that would have to be built down from the overpasses. Platforms themselves wouldn't be too bad. They'd do standard islands and spread the tracks by plopping the inbound track down over the old platform to create the room. That would be the much preferable way to do it vs. side platforms because it would only require single egress ramps instead of pairs, and would insulate the platform further away from Pike road spray. Since any curves (Auburndale probably the only one that wouldn't be able to be positioned at some tangent midpoint) are slight they wouldn't have to be uniquely engineered like Yawkey, and thus the expense isn't too extreme. But until they have money to pay the going rate it's going to be a struggle.
Auburndale: I think there is enough room for ADA access with ramps. Pike embankment probably has to be cut & new retaining wall built. Looking at the map looks like 550'-600' of tangent track before the curve. If this is important, the platforms would have to be shifted 200'+ east, under Auburn St bridge. Don't know how this would affect stairs and ADA ramps. There is supposedly a plan or a study on the shelf for ADA accessible station for Auburndale.
I like my idea of extending the green line on the existing single track to Auburndale and using Auburndale for transfer between the Framingham-Worcester Line & the D-Riverside line. This would restore some of the traditional transit-oriented nature of Auburndale Sq.
Building an island platform would probably require replacing one or two or three pike bridges.
West Newton:Track looks quite tangent. I *think* there is enough room for ramps, but I am not sure. It would be awkward in any case. An island platform would probably be hard to design.
Newtonville:Track looks tangent enough. "Outbound/westbound" Boston & Albany or New York Central low-level platform still exists and is just sitting there unused (without stairs) for past fifty years. Much better construction than the new platform. "Inbound/eastbound" platform varies in width, is just barely wide enough for present use. Not sure if ramps can be built, even elevators would be problematic. Building a center island would require major work, possibly one or two Pike bridges, grade changes, or even drainage changes. Washington St has a buttload of utilities under it, so pushing back the granite retaining wall would be quite an undertaking. A tunnel would work but would be a security risk. I'd like to see a pedestrian bridge recreated across the middle of the platforms, carrying the ADA ramp or two elevators, allowing passengers to be dropped off on either side of the Pike.
Newtonville was once an important LD stop as it had baggage service and was on route 128 (before the present 128/95 was built in the 1950s.) Existing platform is long enough for Amtrak, and new high-levels could also be long enough.