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 #1380315  by JDC
 
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They tried to push the train, but the 'bumpers' per the reporter 'didn't line up (https://twitter.com/AdamTuss/status/720699679810392064)'. - video https://twitter.com/AdamTuss/status/720700379420323840

Eventually they towed the train away - https://twitter.com/RailTransitOPS/stat ... 9864392704
 #1380383  by srepetsk
 
JDC wrote:More:

They tried to push the train, but the 'bumpers' per the reporter 'didn't line up (https://twitter.com/AdamTuss/status/720699679810392064)'. - video https://twitter.com/AdamTuss/status/720700379420323840

Eventually they towed the train away - https://twitter.com/RailTransitOPS/stat ... 9864392704
They originally tried to push the train into Rosslyn; this is what didn't work (likely since the train was on a curve into the station, making coupling more challenging). They offloaded a second train and coupled it to the 7K and eventually pulled it to Alexandria Yard. Here's video of the 14-car train going through Crystal City: https://twitter.com/RailTransitOPS/stat ... 9864392704" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 #1380420  by JackRussell
 
srepetsk wrote: They offloaded a second train and coupled it to the 7K and eventually pulled it to Alexandria Yard. Here's video of the 14-car train going through Crystal City: https://twitter.com/RailTransitOPS/stat ... 9864392704" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They can do this without burning out the traction motors on the 6-car train? Or slipping wheels? I guess if you keep the speed down and use very gentle acceleration/braking, anything is possible.

Is the Alexandria yard equip to work on these things, or are they going to need to tow the thing somewhere else (Greenbelt?)?
 #1380424  by Sand Box John
 
"JackRussell"
They can do this without burning out the traction motors on the 6-car train? Or slipping wheels? I guess if you keep the speed down and use very gentle acceleration/braking, anything is possible.


In a word, yes. A 6 car train of WMATA rolling stock has roughly the same horsepower as an EMD SD-35 freight locomotive, The difference being is the power is applied to the rails using 24 axles instated of 6.

Is the Alexandria yard equip to work on these things, or are they going to need to tow the thing somewhere else (Greenbelt?)?

I would imagine by now all of the shops have employees that are checked out on trouble shooting and fixing 7k cars.
 #1380428  by Chris Brown
 
Sand Box John wrote:"JackRussell"
They can do this without burning out the traction motors on the 6-car train? Or slipping wheels? I guess if you keep the speed down and use very gentle acceleration/braking, anything is possible.


In a word, yes. A 6 car train of WMATA rolling stock has roughly the same horsepower as an EMD SD-35 freight locomotive, The difference being is the power is applied to the rails using 24 axles instated of 6.
Still.. I would think that would be too stressful on the hardware connecting the 6-car train to the 7k train. I would expect it to damage or brake the unit connecting the two trains. Unless the 7k train was actually able to power itself while connected to the 6-car train. But that would mean that WMATA partially lied about the level of compatibility the 7k cars have with other cars. I'm sure they are not fully compatible, but the video suggests they are somewhat compatible.
 #1380441  by MCL1981
 
They didn't walk through the tunnel. They pulled another train up behind it, and passengers walked through that train to the platform that was only 100ft away. After an hour of little to no communication from Metro (as usual), I would have walked there myself in the tunnel.
 #1380458  by Sand Box John
 
"Chris Brown"
Still.. I would think that would be too stressful on the hardware connecting the 6-car train to the 7k train. I would expect it to damage or brake the unit connecting the two trains. Unless the 7k train was actually able to power itself while connected to the 6-car train. But that would mean that WMATA partially lied about the level of compatibility the 7k cars have with other cars. I'm sure they are not fully compatible, but the video suggests they are somewhat compatible.


The 7k cars braking system is compatible with the rest of the fleet at a rudimentary level and the coupler strength is sufficient for events just like this. A train of the older cars can rescue a dead train of 7k cars just like a train of 7k cars can rescue a dead train of older cars.
 #1380465  by JDC
 
MCL1981 wrote:They didn't walk through the tunnel. They pulled another train up behind it, and passengers walked through that train to the platform that was only 100ft away. After an hour of little to no communication from Metro (as usual), I would have walked there myself in the tunnel.
Yes, this clarification came about later.
 #1380481  by smallfire85
 
Like SBJ said, all the shops should be equipped to troubleshoot and perform repairs on the 7K's. The same situation occurred almost a year ago (for probably a different cause) where a train was disabled on the C line (BL/OR/SL) and saw that set, the first 7Ks in revenue service, sent to Alex for repair.

That being said, the set from yesterday's incident is currently at Alex in the storage yard. The consist is 7078-7079-7037-7036-7040-7041-7043-7042. Investigation is still ongoing, as far as I know.
 #1380482  by smallfire85
 
Sand Box John wrote:"Chris Brown"
Still.. I would think that would be too stressful on the hardware connecting the 6-car train to the 7k train. I would expect it to damage or brake the unit connecting the two trains

The 7k cars braking system is compatible with the rest of the fleet at a rudimentary level and the coupler strength is sufficient for events just like this. A train of the older cars can rescue a dead train of 7k cars just like a train of 7k cars can rescue a dead train of older cars.
Situations like these are considered in the design of the cars. Though not routine, having to tow a dead train is not that far from a standard incident response. You would be shooting yourself in the foot if you had only a small number of vehicles capable of rescuing/towing trains or you had to risk damaging equipment to do so.

It gets really fun when your pushing the train, because then you'd have the person actually moving the 14-car consist sitting 600' behind the front of the train, taking orders from the guy in front via radio.
 #1380491  by srepetsk
 
smallfire85 wrote:It gets really fun when your pushing the train, because then you'd have the person actually moving the 14-car consist sitting 600' behind the front of the train, taking orders from the guy in front via radio.
Proceed....Proceed....Proceed...Proceed.... :D
 #1380500  by smallfire85
 
srepetsk wrote:Proceed....Proceed....Proceed...Proceed.... :D
LOL. I had to listen to that one night with a train with propulsion issues in Brentwood Yard for half an hour. Thing is, it was blocking my contractors from entering the mainline. I almost lost it...
 #1380521  by MCL1981
 
Logic would dictate switching to a different direct radio channel for that proceed... proceed.... proceed... proceed BS. Why they would do something like that on the main road channel is mind boggling.