• The Paper/Cardboard freight business on the LIRR

  • Discussion of the past and present operations of the Long Island Rail Road.
Discussion of the past and present operations of the Long Island Rail Road.

Moderator: Liquidcamphor

  by nyandw
A new topic I wanted to open up. I went through the LIRR 1966 maps for the following:
LI City
Brenner Paper Corp.
NY Envelope

LI CIty Meurer's
Bonded Paper-Gay Trking
Muller Paper
Case Paper

LI Ciry Kearney
Paper Products Div

Formulite Paper Corp.
Saxon Paper
Equitable Paper Corp.
Viking Criterion Paper
NY Envelope

Janine Paper & Twin
Canover Paper
E. Greene Paper

Bushwick Branch
US Paper Bag
Salwin Paper

Corona Yard
Prudential Paper

Jamaica Freight
Neptune Paper

New Hyde Park
Alliance Paper

Garden City
Borus Bros. Paper Co.
Garden City Paper Co

Plastic Paper
Meadowbrook Paper

New Haven Paperboard
Hygrade Paper

Carnation Paper

NY Envelope may or may not be around still. And of course Country Life Press, Newsday, maybe Doubleday. What about smaller papers like Suffolk County News, etc.?

From Gerg Grice:

LIRR and NYA had a substantial paper/box business all virtually gone now. A substantial amount of freight boxcar revenue from this type of newsprint /paper roll traffic, over the years. Here are a few having ceased operation:

Southern Container- Deer park
Norma Pac and Star Corrugated- Maspeth
Combined/Island Container- Wyandanch
Heritage Paper- East New York(Bay Ridge)
American Tissue/Gaylord paper bag- Huntington 12 car spot large building
Case Paper- Long Island City
Roblaw/AJM Pineaire(back track)
Fonda/Bleyer Group- Maspeth and Bushwick spot
Pinter Brothers Deer Park I
The industries listed were served by both NYA and LIRR, with perhaps others.

Photos, paperwork, insight, etc. Please chime in! Thanks.
  by nyandw
A bit more digging yields: The LIRR Freight Operations, Pre-1997 by John Kilbride nice article:
LIST Semaphore Feb. 2017 http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirr%2 ... e-1997.htm This leads to Customer Carload Reports (1974-1988). I have them from 1977-1992 here: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirrhi ... aldata.htm courtesy of Jeff Erlitz.

Anyone with prior or later issues? Thank you.
  by DaveBarraza
Southern Container became Rock-Tenn, right? Now "WestRock"... They don't take loads anymore? The location in deer park is still listed on their website.
  by AlKaLI
Hello Steve:

Maybe Greg Grice could confirm that WestRock (former Southern Container) is still actually receiving boxcars of paper rolls. I find it hard to believe that they stopped. They might be the only manufacturer of corrugated boxes left on Long Island.

Also, please check your "Maspeth" maps on your website. Two more:
- Manufacturers Corrugated Box co (Maspeth) (On first map, Haberman north) also received boxcars of paper rolls
- Alfred Bleyer also Maspeth. siding #18. Received paper rolls as well. Made paper products - paper plates, etc.

Regards, AlKaLI
  by 4behind2
Star Corrugated in Maspeth. Manufactures had a north side and south side at Maspeth. In later years, most of that traffic was north side across from Midway Beverage (Coors). Those sidings no longer exist.

Just about all of the paper traffic (save for Newsday/Pinter) came through the NY Cross Harbor floats at Bay Ridge, along with coal for Kings Park. The rate was superior to Conrail via Selkirk and the surcharges (up to $500 per car) they placed on Long Island Traffic through Fresh Pond.
  by nyandw
Thank you Guys: The locations pointed out are indicated are here: http://www.trainsarefun.com/NYA/maspeth/NYA-Maspeth.htm

Here's a nice photo of a newspaper drop from a baggage car: Baggage car #7715 on Montauk bound train #4 Baggage man preparing to dump newspapers on platform 07/1971 Photo and archive: Dave Keller

LIRR FM CPA20-5 #2007 Greenport train coming into Mineola station with the Newsday truck and papers at the left to be loaded on the baggage car. View W from trestle 1950 Archive: Dave Keller

More on newspaper delivery: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/newspa ... livery.htm

Thanks, Folks, Keep it coming!
  by nyandw
Using the Car Load Reports for the 1973-1983 period, I compiled the attached file. I didn’t see the need to go further into later LIRR dates as this provided a good sample for the time frame; post MTA and the post-Emery 1958 maps Grade Crossing Elimination Projects.

I’m presently working on the “Paper Business on the LI Railroad” should you have any waybills, switch lists, photos, car load reports, and/or comments/insights please let me know! A decade snap shot of paper traffic for the LIRR with over 58,000 car loads: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/temp/L ... Report.pdf