• Budd Garrett experimental gas-turbine M-1 cars

  • Discussion of the past and present operations of the Long Island Rail Road.
Discussion of the past and present operations of the Long Island Rail Road.

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  by Lirr168
 
DutchRailnut wrote:There were 3 projects the Budd demonstrator pioneer car with Garret turbine.

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/mineol ... ineola.jpg
and

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/Ronkon ... onkoma.jpg

And then two sets each of M1 modified turbine cars, two married pair by Garrett and two married pair by GE.
Right. I guess I meant two makes more than projects. Do we know for sure that Pullman didn't provide one of the coaches? I never remember hearing that, but this poster seems genuine enough to make it worth looking into I think.
  by DutchRailnut
 
GT-1 and GT-2 are same car, first as straight garret turbine, then as GT-2 as dual mode electric/thirdrail/turbine.
  by goodnightjohnwayne
 
Lirr168 wrote:
DutchRailnut wrote:There were 3 projects the Budd demonstrator pioneer car with Garret turbine.

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/mineol ... ineola.jpg
and

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/Ronkon ... onkoma.jpg

And then two sets each of M1 modified turbine cars, two married pair by Garrett and two married pair by GE.
Right. I guess I meant two makes more than projects. Do we know for sure that Pullman didn't provide one of the coaches? I never remember hearing that, but this poster seems genuine enough to make it worth looking into I think.
It is absolutely clear that the prototype in question was provided by Budd. Of course, it does look a bid odd from the end because it wasn't a standard Pioneer III EMU, but started life as the entirely unique Pioneer III unpowered coach. In it's original late 1950s form, even the car ends were corrugated.
  by newkirk
 
Lrail wrote: Does anyone have any photos from the fantrip mentioned on http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/odds_ends/garett2.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-Lee
Yeah, an old thread, but I have photos. Click on photos to enlarge.
November 13, 1977 - ERA Fantrip
  by dieciduej
 
newkirk wrote:
Lrail wrote: Does anyone have any photos from the fantrip mentioned on http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/odds_ends/garett2.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-Lee
Yeah, an old thread, but I have photos. Click on photos to enlarge.
November 13, 1977 - ERA Fantrip
It could be an optical illusion, but in the photo of the pod that held the turbine, the head room looks a little low for the window seat.
  by DutchRailnut
 
it sure was, some of cars ran as emergency backup of M-1's out of north white plains on mn , the area of turbine was real low .
  by nyandw
 
newkirk wrote:
Lrail wrote: Does anyone have any photos from the fantrip mentioned on http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/odds_ends/garett2.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-Lee
Yeah, an old thread, but I have photos. Click on photos to enlarge.
November 13, 1977 - ERA Fantrip
Thank you, Bill.
  by R36 Combine Coach
 
Realized this design foreshadowed the Silverliner V - 35 years early.
  by MACTRAXX
 
dieciduej wrote:
newkirk wrote:
Lrail wrote: Does anyone have any photos from the fantrip mentioned on http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/odds_ends/garett2.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-Lee
Yeah, an old thread, but I have photos. Click on photos to enlarge.
November 13, 1977 - ERA Fantrip
It could be an optical illusion, but in the photo of the pod that held the turbine, the head room looks a little low for the window seat.
JG and BM: Good interior pictures of the Garrett Turboliners. I had never previously seen any good
interior pictures of cars 4001-4004 - and that ceiling is definitely no optical illusion - what I would
like to know if that low side ceiling to accommodate the turbine unit was padded in some regard
and it probably was substantially insulated to keep heat out of the passenger compartment...

Another feature that I have not seen is the moveable floor panel that opens along with half a door
for the low level platform stairs - the stainless steel grab iron is a tip off along with the door open
warning to stay behind the yellow line...Today this likely would be much better marked with bright
warning striping along with the text on the second door which would be more noticeable. Likely it
would require specific announcements at each station to note which side that the doors will open
on along with repeated mention not to stand in this specific area...MACTRAXX
  by newkirk
 
Mactraxx wrote: what I would
like to know if that low side ceiling to accommodate the turbine unit was padded in some regard
and it probably was substantially insulated to keep heat out of the passenger compartment...
It was padded when I tested it by pushing my thumb into the padding.

There were also fluorescent light fixtures and they were not padded. lol
  by newkirk
 
BuddR32 wrote:Thanks for the photos. I could only imagine the issues with the sliding trap door.
I could see those sliding trap doors jamming either in the open or closed position.

People tracking in sand and melting compound from the platforms. Oh yeah, I could see it all now !
  by newkirk
 
Back by popular demand............I think so !
Click on photo to enlarge
  by DutchRailnut
 
keep in mind in the M-1 version there was 4 cars by Garrett and 4 cars by GE , only difference was how the gas turbines were placed.

Garrets : https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?67778" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

GE : https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?132483" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
  by newkirk
 
DutchRailnut wrote: keep in mind in the M-1 version there was 4 cars by Garrett and 4 cars by GE , only difference was how the gas turbines were placed.
Correct, and U understand that the Garrett and G.E. turbine cars would not run MU together ?

More photos from the vault of Newkirk
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