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  by RRATSTJ.
 
This is out of Curiosity Where would these fall in Line with the U.S. A. Counterparts.. Model designation of EMD Locomotives ? Also would Like the HISTORY, Dimensions etc behind them ? Please see the following List below.

Tom

EMD G8
G8C
EMD GA8
EMD GL8
EMD GL8C
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  by AllenPHazen
 
There is a sting on the forum about EMD export locomotives, which should have more details.
W.r.t. the nomenclature... The "8" means a locomotive with an eight cylinder 567 engine: so, internally, these models are comparable to the SW-900.
"G" is just generic for EMD export models. I suspect it is meant to convey "General Motors," but detecting a rationale in EMD model numbers is ... problematic.
"L" is, I guess, for Light: GL models were built for light axle weight applications. (Irish railways had GL8 end-cabs and JL8: the same works, but with a somewhat British-looking cab at each end.
"C," of course, is for CC (six-motor) models.
Not sure about the "A."
  by Pneudyne
 
The G8, GA8 and GL8 were standard EMD export models.

The G8C and GL8C were built by EMD’s Australian associate, Clyde Engineering, to meet specific Australian railway system requirements.

The G8 road switcher dated from 1953-54, and used the same frame, body and running gear as the more powerful G12 model, but with the 8-567C (later 8-567CR) engine rather than the 12-567 of the G12. Both the G8 and G12 were available with B-B or A1A-A1A running gear.

The GA8 and GL8 end-cab units were part of the 1958 expanded export range. Both used the 8-567C(R) engine. The GA8, with B-B running gear, was by design very simple, with freight car-type trucks and longitudinal, frame-mounted traction motors and shaft drive. The GL8 was lighter and shorter than the G8. Initially it was offered only with B-B running gear, but an A1A-A1A option was soon added. Although the G8 remained in the catalogue, it was largely displaced by the GL8, with few built after 1959-60. The last G8 batch, built for New Zealand Railways c.1965, were significantly modified.

Clyde initially (1955) built the G8 and the G12 on a longer frame, 44’6” (the same as had been used for the EMD B12) rather than the standard 43’0”. Then it separated the two models, the G8 (with B-B) running gear being built for Victorian Railways on a significantly shorter frame, and soon renamed as the G8B. This went through several iterations, at some stage incorporating some GL8 features.

The Clyde G8C was built for New South Wales Railways (NSWGR) as its 49 class) from 1960. This was essentially a six-motor (C-C) derivative of the Clyde G8B variant of the time, necessarily on a longer frame. Effectively this model competed with the Alco-Goodwin DL531G, which constituted the majority of NSWGR’s branchline fleet.

The Clyde GL8C (C-C) was built for Queensland Railways from 1963 as its 1700 class, for branchline service. To some extent it was a GL8 derivative, but not simply a reshod version of the latter. It looks to have been of lighter overall construction than the standard GL8, being built to a total weight target of 61.5 long tons (roundly 138 000 lb). It was notable for using CD36 traction motors (designed for the 3 ft gauge) as a weight-saving measure.

Note that Clyde started using A (A1A-A1A), B (B-B) and C (C-C) suffixes in its models in the later 1950s, before EMD did the same. For example, its version of the GR12 (which it built before EMD built its version) was soon renamed as the G12C. In general, EMD did not apply these letter suffixes to its export models until the 645 engine era, and even then, mostly used only the C suffix, e.g. G22C for the six-motor (C-C) version but G22 (without suffix) for the four-motor version, whether B-B or A1A-A1A. But it had alphanumeric suffixes to show the number of axles and whether narrow or standard gauge traction motors were fitted. Thus, G22U6 was a G22 with A1A-A1A running gear and narrow gauge (U for universal) motors. Clyde did not appear to use this system. One exception for EMD in the 567 era was the GA12C of 1963, derived from the earlier GA12, which in turn was derived from the GA8. I am not sure of the significance of the intermediate “A” in the GA8 (and GA12) models. It was not related to wheel arrangement, but it was associated with very simple locomotives with shaft drive.

These export locomotives used the same engines and generators as the domestic model range, but in different frames, usually with different running gear and often with different auxiliary systems. Standard gauge traction motors, where used, were the domestic models. Control systems were generally similar to domestic practice, although where fitted, export models used potential wire type dynamic braking from the start. Thus, there was seldom direct correlation between export and domestic models.


Cheers,
  by Pneudyne
 
EMD G8:
EMD G8.jpg


EMD GA8:
EMD GA8.png

EMD GL8:

EMD GL8.jpg
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  by Pneudyne
 
Clyde G8C:
Clyde G8C NSWGR 49 class.png

Clyde GL8C:
Clyde GL8C QR 1700 class.png

GMD G8 Modified:
GMD G8 Modified NZR Db class.png
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  by Pneudyne
 
This shows the Clyde G8 progression (Victorian Railways T class), from which the G8C was derived, and which probably provided some input to the GL8C.
Clyde G8 Progression.png
The G8B designation was applied from the 2nd or 3rd iteration - I am not sure which.


Cheers,
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  by Pneudyne
 
This (six-page) EMD export model advertisement placed in "Diesel Railway Traction" 1958 November had very wide circulation, so is perhaps superfluous here. But in case not......

At the time, the GA8, GL8, GR12 and G16 were relatively new additions to the export product line.


Cheers,
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  by Pneudyne
 
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  by Pneudyne
 
Reposting some of the images that did not appear to load properly previously:
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  by Pneudyne
 
Still not loading properly - looks like a forum problem....
  by RRATSTJ.
 
All-

Thank You for the information. However I am interested in these EMD Lokomotives Listed below As to how they compare Internally from the U. S. A. , Canadien etc?

Tom

EMD GL8
EMD GL8C
EMD G12
GR12
G12C
GA12
GA12C
EMD G16
EMD B12