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Discussion related to the operations and equipment of Consolidated Rail Corp. (Conrail) from 1976 to its present operations as Conrail Shared Assets. Official web site can be found here: CONRAIL.COM.

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 #772903  by Kaback9
 
airman00 wrote:I saw that there are only a small number, of former Conrail sw 1001's still going on. They appear to have been built in 1973. In fact, Norfolk southern engine #2100, is the last sw1001 still in conrail paint on there roster, CSX still has a few in CR paint. The remaining ones have been painted into there respective company colors. So I would say all the SW1001's qaulify as old Conrail engines still on active duty.
They were built for Reading I believe.
 #772906  by scottychaos
 
airman00 wrote:I saw that there are only a small number, of former Conrail sw 1001's still going on. They appear to have been built in 1973. In fact, Norfolk southern engine #2100, is the last sw1001 still in conrail paint on there roster, CSX still has a few in CR paint. The remaining ones have been painted into there respective company colors. So I would say all the SW1001's qaulify as old Conrail engines still on active duty.
1973?
thats very new.. ;)
there are literally hundreds of ex-Conrail engines older than that still operating..
SD40, SD45, SDP45, GP7, GP8, GP9, GP10, GP30, GP38, GP40, a few Alco RS3m's..etc..
many many locomotives much older than 1973..
sorry.. ;)

Scot
 #772993  by lvrr325
 
Conrail rebuilt approximately 40 SD40s to SD40-2 specs #s 6960-6999, including 10 units purchased used (Pac Rail) and the remainder sourced from their own fleet. Three of the CNJ units (which were originally B&O) would be included in this group, formerly 6285-6292. 6285 has been on the New England Central for some time.

The roster in the Hartley book shows one former NYC T3B electric, which is probably the oldest unit outside of the battery shop goat to go to Conrail. Of those that remain in service, I have no doubt the oldest would be an early EMD switcher, it would be left up to debate whether one should count an original unit, or units such as the LV SW900Ms that were in themselves rebuilt from LV EMC NW's built in the late 30s and predating "EMD" -

One other note - the reason LV 112 exists in untouched original paint is because it was sold by the LV prior to Conrail and never was a Conrail locomotive. However 5 LV SW1s did go to Conrail.
 #773245  by airman00
 
Might be many loco's built before 1973, but how many built before 1973 still operating in regular active duty, in conrail blue paint? So that makes those sw1001's still in CR paint, rare indeed. :-)
 #773459  by lvrr325
 
They weren't exactly common in the first place. 9400-9424, SW1001, built for Reading -

There's enough older units than that still out there that I have no doubt there's a few still in blue yet.
 #773554  by charlie6017
 
As of Nov 2008, the 5460 was working for the Lehigh Stone Company in Lehigh, Illinois. Formerly a GP7, it was rebuilt in '78 as a GP8.

Built in 4/1952 as DLW #959---then became EL #1278 prior to Conrail. Builder #15720

Info courtesy of The Conrail Historical Society.

http://thecrhs.org/
 #797627  by Budd9001
 
Those Conrail SW1001's are former Reading Yard Engines built in '73, infact along with the Reading's GP40's they're the last engines bought under the Reading Banner
 #802078  by Matt Langworthy
 
Svcot, I went through your pages of LV and EL survivors. In both cases, it looks like the SW1s were sold before CR. As near as I can tell, it looks like the surviving LV SW900ms might qualify as the oldest former CR units still in active service, since they were originally built as NW-1s in 1938. The only question I have is this: how much of the SW900ms are still original from the NW-1s?

***edited for spelling***
Last edited by Matt Langworthy on Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
 #802081  by scottychaos
 
Matt Langworthy wrote:Svcot, I went through your pages of LV and E survivors. In borth cases, it looks like the SW1s were sold before CR. As near as I can tell, it looks like the surviving LV SW900ms might qualify as the oldest former CR units still in active service, since they were originally built as NW-1s in 1938. The opnly question I have is this: how much of the SW900ms are still original from the NW-1s?
Matt,
perhaps no surviving LV or EL SW1's made it Conrail..
(one LV Sw1 is known to have made it to the CR roster, LV 115 to CR 8419..but her survivor status is unknown)

Personally I wouldnt consider the LV NW1's - SW900m's to qualify, since they were so heavily rebuilt..
but virtually ALL old operating locos were rebuilt to greater or lesser extents! so thats a grey area..

There are three surviving NYC SW1's that were on the CR roster:

NYC 605:1 - EMD SW1 - Currently Scherier 1359 - ex NYC-PC-CR 8453 - NYC 655 - nee NYC 605:1
NYC 679 - EMD SW1 - Currently Standard Terminal RR of NJ #1261 - ATRW/AMTK # 735 > AMTK #248 > CR/PC #8476 > NYC #679 (built 1941)
NYC 701 - EMD SW1 - Currently Ohio Central 736 - ex AMTK 736 - AMTK 249 - CR/PC/NYC 8497 - NYC 701


And two known surviving PRR SW1's that also operated with Conrail:

PRR 5997 - EMD SW1 - Currently shop switcher at TRANSCO in Oelwein IA. ex (CR 8597) (PC 8597) (PRR 5997)
PRR 9404 - EMD SW1 - Currently Tyburn RR Co. #8564 - Morrisville PA - ex (PC/CR 8564) - (PRR #9404) (built 9/50)

Im not sure which of those are still actually operating today..
a little research could probably figure it out..

Scot
 #802094  by railroadcarmover
 
""PRR 9404 - EMD SW1 - Currently Tyburn RR Co. #8564 - Morrisville PA - ex (PC/CR 8564) - (PRR #9404) (built 9/50) ""

This unit was originally given to AE Staley in Morrisville as a "replacement" when Conrail damaged one of Staley's own locomotives while in transit.

It only lasted so long while at Staley and after a prime mover failure, was purchased by Locomotive Troubleshooters ( LTS ).

It is still owned by LTS and had its prime mover changed out over 5 years ago. When LTS has a chance, he will resume working on it so it can be a serviceable locomotive.
 #802393  by Matt Langworthy
 
scottychaos wrote:IAnd there is one known EL unit..
Alco S1 number 315.
http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychao ... Survivors/
http://www.denverrails.com/db/attrctpix ... tr_id=1608
still wearing her early 1960's EL scheme..
i don't think the El's S1 fleet lasted into the early Conrail years. I'm doing some research on the subject, becuase I seem to recall the S1s being sold during the mid to late '60s. If that's the case, then the S1s donn't qualify as old CR survivors.
 #805746  by lvrr325
 
Conrail inherited NO S1's. From EL came five S2s and one S4. The remainder of the 70 or so Alco switchers were ex-PC - and only three of them ex-NH, the rest PRR and NYC units. That includes S2, S4 and T6 models (only six total of the latter).
 #819926  by scharnhorst
 
The oldes locomotives to ever make the Conrail rostor were former ex Penn Cntral, exx New York Central ALCO/GE S2E Electric Locomotives PC #'s 4710, 4715, 4723, 4725, 4731, 4733 all of them were built for NYC in 1906 they were 70 years old when they joined Conrail they remained active till the late 1978? Some of there units were saved in museums but no longer run. Photos and info can be found on pages 101 and 134 of Conrail Motive Power Review Vol: 1 by Gordon Lioyd, Jr. and Louis A. Marre