Question regarding Santa Fe paint schemes

[lucakiki]

Another question: which kind of livery a freight hauling SF locomotive would have, if contemporary to this passenger train ?

[lucakiki]

There were some red Warbonnet F7s meant to haul both freight and passengers. I also think there were red Warbonnet painted F7s dedicated to purely freight service. Well, by the 1970s the remaining F7s were assigned to freight service.
Here is a photo showing some ex. passenger units hauling freight.
www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=84766
Glad I could help.

Here is another picture confirming that red and silver warbonnet F/7 did haul freight:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=52724

[atsf sp]

Another question: which kind of livery a freight hauling SF locomotive would have, if contemporary to this passenger train ?

The picture seems to be from the late 40s early 50s, which it looks like, it would probably be somewhere around an F9 and in this paint scheme or a catwiskers scheme. http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=82642
It could have also been early EMD road like a GP7 or a train master.
Trainmaster
http://home.comcast.net/~j.sing/TM17_ro ... gstaff.jpg
GP7(pic shows both schemes)
http://www.railpixs.com/atsf2/ATSF2852_ ... _Dec76.jpg
There was also a chance of steam helpers and steam on the Grand Canyon. But it depends on which area you are modeling.
Also a book that you may find helpful is Sanata Fe in the mountains which is published by Kalmbach. It shows ATSF in Raton, Cajon, and Tehachapi but it also depicts the power of the time. Its in black and white, but you can depict the colors.

[westr]

Another question: which kind of livery a freight hauling SF locomotive would have, if contemporary to this passenger train ?

The picture seems to be from the late 40s early 50s, which it looks like, it would probably be somewhere around an F9 and in this paint scheme or a catwiskers scheme. http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=82642
It could have also been early EMD road like a GP7 or a train master.
Trainmaster
http://home.comcast.net/~j.sing/TM17_ro ... gstaff.jpg
GP7(pic shows both schemes)
http://www.railpixs.com/atsf2/ATSF2852_ ... _Dec76.jpg

The passenger train shown has an F7 in the lead. Red & Silver Warbonnet F7s were typical passenger power from the late 40s well into the 1960s. Even after the U28CGs, U30CGs and FP45s, some F7s were still in passenger service until Amtrak, though they began being commonly used on freight trains as well.

In the late 40s, cat whisker Fs and steam would have been typical freight power. In the 50s, common freight power would have been F3s, F7s and F9s in the blue & yellow scheme, and GP7 and GP9s in the black and silver zebra stripe scheme. There were also some Alco road swichers. Santa Fe did not own any TrainMasters; the photo of the model is someone's fantasy. They did own some smaller FM road switchers and yard switchers, and some Erie-built passenger units. In 1959, SD24s and RSD15s arrived in the zebra stripe scheme. In the 60s, all freight power was painted blue and yellow; major new freight power included GP20s, GP30s, GP35s, SD40s, SD45s, F45s and U25Bs.

[atsf sp]

I'm sorry, ATSF had H12-44 including one at the Cal. State RR Mus..
http://www.calcoastrails.com/cgi/photo_show.php?id=1305
I was confusing the SP with the ATSF on the trainmasters.

[westr]

I'm sorry, ATSF had H12-44 including one at the Cal. State RR Mus..
http://www.calcoastrails.com/cgi/photo_show.php?id=1305

Santa Fe had H10-44 and H12-44 end cab switchers, H16-44 road switchers and the unique H12-44TS pictured in your link. Only three were built, all for Santa Fe. They were a variation of the H12-44, with a longer frame and a short hood with a steam generator. As I recall, they were intended to keep passenger cars heated while road power was cut off for servicing.

[GWoodle]

Hi all! I am a newbie, and have a few questions. Being ItalianI am absolutely ignorant on American trains, but I happened to purchase a few Santa Fè engines, and quite a lot of assorted freight cars. N gauge!
I would like to avoid at least the bigger mistakes in representing the real scenery.

Q 1 All of my engines are in the red / silver livery in what I think is called the War Bonnet scheme : did they ever use this livery also for freight trains, before switching to Blue yellow (Given this is true!) for freight traffic?
As the number of passenger trains declined, the Red/ silver units were used in Freight service. In modern times, the Red warbonnet units were used in high priority service. One train was the Super C, that was a high speed trailer on flat car train. A double stack container train or intermodal TOFC is similar.

Q2 Would/ could freight cars from different companies end up on Santa Fe roads?
As a primary route from Chicago to Texas & the West Coast, ATSF would carry many "other" cars. Even competitor UP, SP cars could be found on ATSF trains.

Q3 . Would or would not at least the caboose be always be in Santa Fe livery?
A "foreign" road's train on ATSF rails may have an ATSF caboose. You could have a standard practice to try to have the lead unit & the caboose match.

Q4 I have passenger coaches in Silver with a red stripe along the windows: what does this red stripe mean compared with the all silver livery? Earlier, later, or just different?
ATSF cars were mostly stainless steel. None of them had the red "window paint". You can try repainting your cars with a metallic paint to simulate the stainless steel. ATSF was a first class passenger operator, so your cars should be clean.

Thank you very much for any help and suggestion.
Luca

ATSF is a popular US railroad. Even in N scale, you should have no problem finding the right equipment & information. Have fun with your RR!