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eolesen wrote: Obama prescribed $11B in high speed spending projects nationwide. Aside from a few construction jobs and a lot of consulting fees, there's not much to show for that.Double track from Charlotte to Greensboro, a new passenger equipment storage and maintenance yard in Charlotte, a few new (old) train sets for NCDOT and Raleigh Union station (and a bunch of smaller track improvements on the NCRR and CSX A line) were all products of NC's $500 millionish share. All of it is finished and in use (well actually the Charlotte equipment yard is waiting on Charlotte Gateway completion in a couple years)
Bob Roberts wrote:
We are still waiting on an additional Piedmont frequency (possibly late this year IIRC) and we never saw the promised speed increase to 90mph.
Norfolk Southern likes the improvements (and I suspect they wish that the same treatment was given to CLT-ATL trackage).
eolesen wrote:Boondoggle is too weak. UP got some great upgrades, but passengers (and taxpayers) haven't really benefited.Agreed. What did we get for Illinois HSR? Or that miracle third track in NW Indiana that can still see Detroit trains strangled by an hour or so?
Obama prescribed $11B in high speed spending projects nationwide. Aside from a few construction jobs and a lot of consulting fees, there's not much to show for that.
Amtrak’s route from Chicago to St. Louis would seem an ideal place for the U.S. to adopt high-speed rail such as in Europe and Asia, where passenger trains can race along at 200 miles an hour. The stretch in Illinois is a straight shot across mostly flat terrain.
In fact, a fast-rail project is under way in Illinois. Yet the trains will top out at 110 mph, shaving just an hour from what is now a 5½-hour train trip. After it’s finished, at a cost of about $2 billion, the state figures the share of people who travel between the two cities by rail could rise just a few percentage points. Behind such modest gains, for hundreds of millions of dollars spent, lie some of the reasons high-speed train travel remains an elusive goal in the U.S such modest gains, for hundreds of millions of dollars spent, lie some of the reasons high-speed train travel remains an elusive goal in the U.S.
eolesen wrote:And yet the dual presence isn’t the cause of failure.... unlike the rest of the train-culture countries, the US is made up of large yet geographically dispersed population centers. Illinois is the size of Ireland, and just about as rural once you get outside of Dublin.the point seems to be less about need than ability. the US seems incapable of actually building it. If California's project had a cost and timeline similar to the rest of the world it would be built.
If Ireland doesn’t need high speed rail, we don’t. Most long distance travel there is by bus...